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you're proving to be a moron on this subject, eodoll.
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NuEM  Posts: 1,007
Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
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Yukishiro1 posted:
There is no mind-body division the way you are making out. Believing you are going to recover has a huge effect on your ability to recover from all sorts of serious illnesses.
Your worldview is simplistic and unsupported by real scientific evidence.
Not really. Placebos aren't really better than no treatment at all.
Hröbjartsson A, Gotzsche PC: Is the placebo powerless? An analysis of clinical trials comparing placebo with no treatment. N Engl J Med, 344, 1594-1602, 2001
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Crooq_Lionfang  Title: Master Zergling
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Registered: 2003-3-11 11:53:17
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The mind has a large, but not absolute effect on recovery from an illness. Feelings and strong beliefs (including the feeling and belief that a pill will help even if it turns out afterwards it was just a placebo) in recovery can cause the brain to release certain endorphins that support the natural healing process. In some cases that is enough, in others it is not. That is from what I know how placebos can heal and how prayer and belief can help the body to battle a serious condition.
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
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Placebos have been shown to work as much as praying has been shown to work. It helps thaings that are not real. Some sicknesses need help from a lot f fronts, attitude is one and if the placebo helps thte attitude - fine. But real treatment should be administered.
Steve jobs refgretted putting off real treatment for so long.
Some studies suggest eating healthy makes cancer worse - feeding the cancer. So there is a lot we dont know. A good attitude while your body is having out of control cell growth might make the growing even worse.
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
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Yukishiro1 posted:
There is no mind-body division the way you are making out. Believing you are going to recover has a huge effect on your ability to recover from all sorts of serious illnesses.
This is where i was going as well, with what i said.
Believing, positive attitude, and mental strength aid in recovery and cure.
There was an article in Discover Magazine a few years back, they did an experiment with people with upper respiratory infections.
There were 3 groups. One group was told to go home and get plenty of rest and it should clear up in about a week. Another group was given antibiotics. A third group was given a placebo.
The 'resting' group took almost twice as long to recover, but the placebo group recovered almost as quickly as the antibiotic group.
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Crooq_Lionfang Title: Master Zergling
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I wouldn't call the release of endorphins in the brain that support the immune system "not real" though
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
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Crooq_Lionfang posted:
I wouldn't call the release of endorphins in the brain that support the immune system "not real" though
My first response here was placebos are shown to work in feelings based studies..
Measure your pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Its hardly a scientific way to maesure something.
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Crooq_Lionfang Title: Master Zergling
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There are ways to measure pain. The pain threshold of a person being relative doesn't make it any less real
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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eodoll posted:
It helps thaings that are not real.
That's just dumb and as long as you stick with it you'll continue to look dumb.
If you are trying to say placebos work better on subjective complaints that is true. But subjective complaints are not "fake" simply because they're subjective. All pain is subjective. Is pain not real?
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Coriolus Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
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Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
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Eager_Igraine posted:
When you say depression can usually be treated in ways other than medication, what you are also saying is that some times depression can only be treated by medication. Which I totally agree with.
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No I'm not and not it doesn't
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