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eodoll  Posts: 1,028
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Yukishiro1 posted:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id  lacebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind
No. Placebos work. Not always, but then neither do "real" medicines.
You're just wrong. And even if you were right, it's a stupid point. If someone feels less pain the placebo worked. Arguing pain isn't "real" is beyond reatrded.
Lol.. So does everyone that says thy hear voices really hear voices? Picture a pink elephant flying.. Is it real?
Okay, so we agree somethings that people see, hear and feel are completely figments of the imagination conjured up by the mind.
That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
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IMHO Title: Official Outpost Greeter
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It's been proven that exercise works better than taking anti-depressants.
I have to side with the leaf eater on this one.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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eodoll posted:
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
You're just wrong and your whole point just reveals you understand nothing at all about how the body works.
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Huges07.1  Posts: 438
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Coriolus posted:
Huges07.1 posted:
It's easy to say what doesn't work for other people if you've never dealt with it yourself.
The fact is that antidepressants do work for many people and can/do significantly change their quality of life for the better.
So do placebos.
I suppose the only relevant question as far as your opinion on antidepressants and depression goes would be whether or not you suffer from clinical depression now or in the past?
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Huges07.1 Posts: 438
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IMHO posted:
It's been proven that exercise works better than taking anti-depressants.
I have to side with the leaf eater on this one.
So it's been proven that you can just jog off Major Depressive Disorder?
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Modeeb Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Excellent article:
"This isn't just a problem with antidepressants. It's a problem with scientific research. Some drug companies even pay or threaten scientists to not publish negative results on their drugs. So much for "evidence-based" medicine!"...
"The scientific trust is broken. What can we do? Unfortunately, there is no easy answer. But I do think functional medicine, on which my approach of UltraWellness is based, provides a more intelligent way of understanding the research. Rather than using drugs to suppress symptoms, Functional Medicine helps us find the true causes of problems, including depression."
Fix the causes of sickness -- and the depression takes care of itself...
The real cure lies in rebalancing the underlying systems in your body that are at the root of all healthy and illness.
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
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No youre wrong. They have never shown a person with a pinched nerve ger relief from a placebo.
Depression and pain are interpreted in the same part of the brain. If someone hurts your feelings and you get a tummy ache.. Is your stomach pain real or is it all in the mind? Its in the mind, your body is just confused. Mentally rooted pain can be fixed by a placebo.
Real pain due to physical trauma or chemical imbalance cant be fixed by a placebo.. You need to repair the imbalance ir correct the trauma.
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
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Coriolus posted:
depression ... is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.
sweeny_comodore posted:
a majority of the problems arent real.
Stupid +
eodoll posted:
That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
If a person feels it, it's real. Choose a better word, perhaps - mentally induced pain. And placebos have improved physical ailments. The power of the mind doesn't only work on mental pain.
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Coriolus posted:
Well I'm not sure based on what I have read on this subject that I am saying that. I am simply saying that basically there are other reasons for the depressive symptoms that can be addressed by other means than medication.
and you're welcome.
When you say depression can usually be treated in ways other than medication, what you are also saying is that some times depression can only be treated by medication. Which I totally agree with.
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eodoll Posts: 1,028
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Kjarhall posted:
eodoll posted:
That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
If a person feels it, it's real. Choose a better word, perhaps - mentally induced pain. And placebos have improved physical ailments. The power of the mind doesn't only work on mental pain.
Imagined is all about mental.. we can say mentally induced if its more clear. Some physical symptoms like a limp come about because people think they have something wrong- placebos could work there. But if a person has a bone tumor then a placebo will not fix it.
The key part is.. Is your problem real or imagined. And if its imagined a hug or pryer or sugar pill might work. If its rel then you got to to get real treatment, a placebo will not help..
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