You guys have made the game fully accessable for me.This prolonged wait has turned me into raving mad villager from old b horror flic.You have my deep respect for what is for me a needed tool to play some of my toons. I do beleive like has been stated, if you dont like plugins dont use them. Most of the purist seem a bit mean spirited. GO suck on a lugie

i thank the decal devs for taking the time to answer some of the questions from the peanut gallery. It seems from the screen shot that we might get Decal before Thanksgiving instead of before Christmas...or dear i hope that maybe before Halloween. I just wish that all the decal bad decal good would go away. i made this post on the Turbine boards not too long ago about what we should be asking our selfs is what does Turbine think...here is what i posted:


holy cow...i think sometimes these umc, bot, and decal threads get outta control...


I will not get into if umc/amc is ok or not ok or against coc or not. we all know what the coc says or at least should know. We could make comparisons for this or that to Asheron's Call. And we can say how we feel on any of these subjects.


But in this case what we need to ask is how does Turbine feel?


I have not read every post on every topic, and correct me if i am wrong.


From what i have read and understand Turbine has the abilty to lock out Decal but has choosen not to. So by making that choice they have condoned Decal itself to work.


Now what we look at is what will Turbine ban a user for doing or not doing. Will Turbine ban a user for leaving a buff bot up and running all the time? No the will not. So again Turbine is saying that Buff bots are ok by them. We wont go into the fact that buff bot do earn xp by casting spells though.


Can one leave a Trade bot up and running to sell items ingame and will Turbine ban you for doing that? No they will not ban you for that. So again Turbine is saying that Trade bots are ok.


Is it ok to have a bot make potions, arrows, or other things of that nature (just make not sell to NPC vendors) and will you get banned for it? The answer is no they will not. So again condoneing this.


So here is the break down so far:

Decal=OK

Buffbots=OK

Tradebots=OK

Makeitbots=OK


Now for the tuff part...AMC and UMC. Will Turbine ban you for UMC? Yes. Now we are not talking if you are caught or not caught. Just simple will they ban you for doing it. So UMC is not OK.

AMC I would think is tuff for some. I am not asking here if is morally right or wrong just simply will Turbine ban you for it. Will Turbine ban you for AMC? No they can't as it is not against any rules. Plus it would seem hard not impossible just hard for Turbine to enoforce. So AMC maybe morally wrong but is condoned by Turbine.


So here is the result for this:

UMC=not OK

AMC=OK


I know some might disagree with the morality issue on this but i am not posting about morality here but what will Turbine ban you for and not ban you for thus condoneing some things and not others.


At some point it would make since for Turbine to cut out the middle man for this. Eliminate Decal and then implement into the UI a Buffbot, Tradebot, Makeitbot. Also some type of Global Dereth Postitioning system as well would be nice. Similar to El Nav where you enter where you are and where you would like to go and then it would list the path for you. Then at that point with Decal cut out all the AMC/UMC would just go away. Yes there might be a program or two out there that works with out Decal but are there any AMC/UMC programs that work with out Decal?

 

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Sorry I missed posting.. I was in English class learning 'It is only cheating if it violated the laws of the game'.

 

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>>I think an English class would be of service to you Imperil. It is only cheating if it violated the laws of the game. Decal is supported therefore, by definition, it is NOT a cheat.<<


I must object to this, slightly. Decal isn't supported, that's why there's so much work right now to get it to work again.

Main Entry: 1cheat

Pronunciation: 'chEt

Function: verb

transitive senses

1 : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud

2 : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice

3 : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>

intransitive senses

1 a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly (as at cards or on an examination)

2 : to be sexually unfaithful -- usually used with on


Nope, nothing about being a cheat if it 99% of online gamers say it is a cheat.

^^^


umm you're actually missing some of the key definitions (there are 8 literals), but that's ok you're a cheater.. obviously you're try to slant things your own way rofl


"b : to violate rules dishonestly"


- oops you actually PWNED yourself there. If you go by the actual software agreement and not what random developer #03409 has said, than you sir are violating the rules dishonestly.


Thanks for coming out.

 

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Except that using Decal isn't, no matter how twisted your little mind is, a violation of the ToS from Turbine. They make the rules, and they aren't being violated.


Case closed, go away.


http://forums.ac.turbinegames.com/showthread.php?t=23804


"The wording of the Code of Conduct regarding third party apps has been changed, yes. Are we banning for anything we weren't banning for last week? No, absolutely not. We are not banning tradebots, buffbots, etc, only unattended combat macros.


We've always had the right to ban any third-party application, as per the End User License Agreement. Nothing regarding policies has changed, just the wording.

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Alex "Ibn" Beckers

AC1 Online Community Relations"

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"Except that using Decal isn't, no matter how twisted your little mind is, a violation of the ToS from Turbine. They make the rules, and they aren't being violated."


- Wow you really are as stupid as you seem


The word 'banning' does not equate to 'not a violation' at all. The actual agreement, if you can actually read, states that you are not allowed to interfere with the software, including with tools and hacks.


Go ask any Decal developer and they'll say the same thing. It's illegal and against the agreement.. BUT they won't ban you for it


" We've always had the right to ban any third-party application, as per the End User License Agreement."


- I mean you even posted the quote yourself from an employee.. are you really that stupid? There is a big difference for something 'being legal' and 'banning'. That statement from Ibn clearly states that you are violating the ToS and EULA but they are not banning for it at the current time.


Must suck to need a crutch and having to cheat lol I can picture you sitting there grinding your teeth wishing your 'plugins' weren't cheats lol. As I already said just don't reply to me and I won't post.. quite simple. Than you can go back to conversing with your fellow cheaters without having stress attacks lol.

 

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Actually, not illegal and against the agreement. The agreement reads (in part) "Use of unauthorized third-party software or macros with the Software may be prohibited in the sole discretion of Turbine."


note the terms MAY and SOLE DISCRETION. Turbine has exercised it's discretion and allows Decal, even if it is not officially supported.


If it WAS illegal and against the agreement, we wouldn't be doing it.