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1/1/00 12:00am
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Quazimortal posted:
Holy crap what a bunch of whiners. I've been having more fun healing randoms in the last week than I ever had since the random daily system was implemented. Oh noes you have to select which spells to use to conserve mana? Oh noes you have to let that dps sit at 20% life to heal up the tank first? The current implementation will truly show who is a good healer and who is one of those 'Wrath' scrubs I keep hearing about here on VN. Tanks and DPS weren't the only ones to get stupid with that expansion you know!
P.S. I've actually found that pointing out when someone is doing something wrong in a less than hateful way can usually cause people to learn from their mistakes. How many people have complemented me on how awesome my healing is this past week? I kinda lost track...
I hope you're not counting on it staying that way...
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Date Posted:
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man sign me up for this torture fest called healing!
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slythetove  Title: Julie's Pool Boy
Posts: 146
Registered: 2001-11-7 11:12:56
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TruthyID posted:
... posted a bunch of absolutely true stuff ...
TLDR: GC forgot that he's in charge of a GAME that is supposed to be FUN. The new healing system isn't fun, at best it's boring, and needs to be reworked.
Yep.
Bottom line, playing as a priest I could not even heal as disc (my chosen spec) and had to spec holy just to survive. Even then it's nothing but frustration because every mistake made by the tank and DPS causes me to be unable to save them and when they die / we wipe "the healer is to blame". 
I know folks who run with perfect guild 5 mans who do their jobs don't all feel how broken priest healing actually is, but it is. The class is not functioning correctly, and it's not fun.
So much for "pugs are gonna steamroll in Cata wait and see" we heard from others just a week or so ago on this very board.
Reality is, healers are quitting and queue times for DPS are high and climbing higher as a result.
I will continue to play and try to adapt because I'm stubborn, but truthfully if I'd decided to level my holy pally instead of my priest I'd be playing a different game right now at 85, and THAT is not how it should be.
--Sly
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Spookysheep  Title: Lieker of Cheese
Posts: 1,248
Registered: 2002-1-9 06:49:19
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Its only been a week. A major patch will be forthcoming soon that will reverse all this stupidity.
Blizzard loves their money way too much to watch it dwindle.
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TruthyID Posts: 189
Registered: 2010-7-7 12:52:20
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Spookysheep posted:
Its only been a week. A major patch will be forthcoming soon that will reverse all this stupidity.
Blizzard loves their money way too much to watch it dwindle.
I'd believe you if Blizzard hadn't just stealth nerfed holy pallies this morning. The only thing they thought was broken about healing was that holy pallies weren't going oom as much as other healers. I wouldn't count on any miracle patches to make healing effective or fun any time soon.
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Foojo Posts: 147
Registered: 2008-8-18 16:16:47
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Last night I was healing for a group, and the pally tank pulled some green blobs, and then got another group. He and the druid in cat form ended up dead because I could not keep up with the damage. Then he asked why I never healed, "healer y u no heal?" lol. I explained that I did heal, and afterward, no more wipes and he was careful with pulls. We even went on to another dungeon after completing the current one.
I was lucky that the hunter backed me up. Otherwise, he probably would have kicked me, and since he never pulled another group of green blobs, there would have been no problems.
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Flesh_Wound posted:
The real problem is not the healing design, it's getting the other 4 members of your group to understand it. The example I've been using is the first pull in HoO. Is it possible for a tank to just run in, pick up the 3 little guys and tank the big one? Yes. Is it utterly brutal and stupid and painful to heal even on normal? Yes. It's not even so much that people got used to steamrolling stuff because it was easy. They got used to essentially breaking gameplay design in terms of incidental damage, pulls, etc.. You just can't do that anymore without the result being shunted directly to the healer (and in turn, the group entire).
I've pretty much shelved healing until more pugs understand how useful and vital CC is now, even for some normal pulls (rly). Once people are playing like a group again, I'll come back to it. Guild runs are, of course, a different thing.
Yep. After 6 years or so of playing my holy priest, he's waiting it out in shadow mode and soloing until Blizzard undoes their cranio-rectal inversion on this one.
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Auenwing  Title: straightface
Posts: 589
Registered: 2002-12-27 23:23:12
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Chilton hated casters.
GC hates healers.
Oh, did I say that out loud? 
Seriously, sounds like they've gone back to vanilla-style healing. This will probably cause a lack of healers in PuGs. (I know I will be avoiding that myself.) When they figure this out about 6 months from now, I would expect tweaks. Certainly not back to LK level; something moderately more than is there now.
In the meantime, good luck to all the healers out here. You know you can manage. If you're lucky and have semi-intelligent or semi-experienced players in PuGs, (who can CC and follow kill order), I suspect your job will be a lot easier. (This sounds like tank complaint threads for LK, and rightly so.) I'm sure it will be much nicer in guild groups for the time being (at least more understanding and willingness to work together.)
The general population WILL get there. Just takes time. No, it won't be a fun ride.
Encouragingly yours,
Nerf-Buff-Roller-coaster-rider
PS: this is not a pollyana feel good post.. I agree (first) there are real issues and (second) it will probably get tweaked. Question is: WHEN.
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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TruthyID posted:
This just in, Holy Pallies have been nerfed. Tower of Radiance no longer generates holy power when holy light is cast on the beacon target and the healing done by Light of Dawn has been reduced.
From the healing forums:
Nethaera on 12/14/10 9:38 PM (UTC)
These hotfixes were intentional and we wanted to share more information about the "why" for you all here:
Mana is supposed to matter for healers, and in the case of Holy paladins, that just wasn’t happening. We were seeing raid groups attempting to learn new bosses where the other healers were out of mana while the paladins were still at 90% of mana. We also thought the experience of paladins healing harder heroic dungeons was inconsistent with that of other healers, or our design intent. We thought it was only a matter of time before groups started going out of their way to stack paladins for raids or recruit them for dungeon runs, which of course is not our intent. For this reason, we thought it was important to address this point now rather than sitting on it until a future patch.
The main culprit for the increased paladin efficiency this was Holy Power from Tower of Radiance. We were seeing a strategy develop where paladins would cast Holy Light on a Beaconed tank, and then cast Light of Dawn on the raid (and use very few other spells). This strategy was remarkably successful considering how simple it is. The Holy Power-based heals are supposed to be an important component of the paladin kit, but because Holy Light is designed to be super efficient, the overall strategy was too efficient. The intent of Tower of Radiance was to make directly healing a Beacon of Light target less punitive, but instead it was becoming the only smart way to play. You can still generate Holy Power by using Flash of Light or Divine Light on a Beaconed target, or through a variety of other ways. Remember, overall it isn’t balanced if paladins are just as mana efficient as other healers and have several mana-free spells.
Light of Dawn was adjusted because it was completely eclipsing Word of Glory. We lowered the healing of Word of Glory late in development, but also redesigned Light of Dawn. They had fallen out of sync, and Light of Dawn was just too good.
Oh well, not too big of a change. I was using that strategy of course but I should be able to adapt.
Broken_Kayfabe posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Holy crap what a bunch of whiners. I've been having more fun healing randoms in the last week than I ever had since the random daily system was implemented. Oh noes you have to select which spells to use to conserve mana? Oh noes you have to let that dps sit at 20% life to heal up the tank first? The current implementation will truly show who is a good healer and who is one of those 'Wrath' scrubs I keep hearing about here on VN. Tanks and DPS weren't the only ones to get stupid with that expansion you know!
P.S. I've actually found that pointing out when someone is doing something wrong in a less than hateful way can usually cause people to learn from their mistakes. How many people have complemented me on how awesome my healing is this past week? I kinda lost track...
I hope you're not counting on it staying that way...
Why would I? Change is a constant in anything.
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