Oh I understand that alright. Just as I understand that with no additional payment for DLC Skyrim remains exactly as it was the day you bought it (the odd bug fix apart), whereas for your sub SWTOR continues to evolve.

No you don't understand and completely missed the point.

I understood the point to be that you can buy Skyrim at box price and play it with no additional cost, whilst you can buy SWTOR at box price and only play it for one month unless you pay additional subscriptions, that's the point that's being made isn't it? I got that. If I've misunderstood it then feel free to clarify. My point is simply that the comparison isn't between two equals, one game won't change in that time (unless you pay extra for DLC) while the other will evolve, and therefore the costing is different. However, anyone who feels that a game isn't worth what's being charged for is obviously free not to play it.

I tried SWTOR beta, but could not play the game on my laptop. It was questionable as to whether it was my graphics driver or what, as the laptop has Vista and is about 4 yrs old. Should be able to play on low settings, but oh well.

As to the other person talking about Skyrim, I am 97 hours into that game since release. Awesome game!

I'd like to say that I'm a bit surprised that this is the biggest negative with the game, but I'm not. Any statement that I made saying "Look, I know this is Bioware and you like them, but its an MMORPG, expect it to work like an MMORPG" were generally sneered at.

oh? because you have to pay for all the community mods to bethesda games right? because bethesda doesn't release a modding tool for all of their games that then goes on to be this huge community driven thing that makes the games better and adds replay value to them for YEARS afterward, right? sweet christ. skyrim will change more, FOR FREE, than swtor will in a year.

 

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to be fair, a million years ago when they announced tor, they were really excitedly talking about how they were going to totally revolutionize mmos. then they.. didn't. at all. in fact, 99% of the money for the game seems to have been spent on the audio alone. which is extremely funny to me because 1. only a small portion of mmo players ever paid attention to the stories in quests and isht before and 2. after the second planet, even those people will be jamming their space bars in conversations that aren't directly part of their story quests. i'm willing to be that over 50% of the games dialog will never be listened to by anyone.

 

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Level 24 now and I am enjoying the game. I think I will definitely take my guy to level 50. After that, I might something else. We will see how things are when I hit the level cap.

 

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I am enjoying SW:ToR because of the voice dialogue. True, playing the same class through Beta and now into retail, the repeat quests from the early levels were a bit tedious but now that I am beyond that level the ability to easily follow the storylines is great.
As far the game being "linear", aren't most MMO's linear to a degree? If your focused goal is to get to cap then yes I can see where the game would be very linear but so would WoW, RIFT, AeON and just about any other MMO. I am a very casual player and I explore the world as I go. The exploring doesnt contain soryline but I enjoy the scenerie. The MoB models have changed as far as the NPC types and I hav enot encountered a MoB tha tis just a bigger version of a lower level as of yet.

 

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Its just like some of the armchair posters on here who say they could do it better. Its an awesome thought, but until you have a working implementation it means exactly nothing. Until you try and fail, its very easy to think that you could do it better, and since most people never will its an easy thought to hold.