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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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So lobby your state legislature.
GrilledCheez  4 stars
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comparing car deaths to gun deaths is hugely stupid.

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Just to toss this out there, but does the first amendment fall under a "states rights" issue...?
Tych2  4 stars
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Aerlinthian posted:

Just to toss this out there, but does the first amendment fall under a "states rights" issue...?

Whats the answer you want?

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Its called Socratic Method.
Tych2  4 stars
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I don't debate nor care to be led.

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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The "answer" isn't what *I* want. What I want is for people to think about what they are debating. Since you don't want to debate the issue, then the question doesn't apply to you.
Jorrdan  2 stars
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Registered: 2001-10-19 07:31:24
Cawlin posted:

Jorrdan posted:

Cawlin posted:

Jorrdan posted:

Taking one sentence out of context of the entire argument is also flawed but if that is what you need to do so be it.



To be fair, your statement was kind of absurd Jorrdan.

Further, the statistics don't agree with you.

You are in truth, about three times more likely to kill someone in another state with your car as you are with a gun...

There are almost 3 times as many vehicle deaths each year as there are firearms homicides.

There are around 250 million passenger vehicles owned in the US, and there are around 30-35k vehicular deaths per year.

There are around 200 million privately owned firearms in the US, and there are about 12k firearms homicides per year.

If you limit the firearms homicides to those committed with legally owned firearms the numbers get even more lopsided.

It seems that we should regulate driving more carefully if you ask me.



Perhaps I wasn't clear then. It is the intent I am speaking of behind the purchase of a firearm in one state and carrying it into another (some people actually do buy them for purposes that are not good which is why I used the DC/Virginia state line example) whereas with a car when I obtain a license my intent is to drive; not to kill people with the car (accidentally or no).



Intent or not, you're still more than 3 times more likely to kill someone with your car than a gun.

Further, do you really think that all people who carry firearms do so with the intent of killing someone?

Crossing state lines is an incidental part of life for lots of people, myself included. I fairly regularly cross state lines (not as regularly as when I did so on a weekly basis), and I carry a gun when I'm in my home state. My intention is certainly not to kill anyone.


Nope. I do not. In fact, I'd say that most people do so with no ill intent. I was simply stating why the driver's license analogy was flawed for me. I would say, for example, that more people buy guns with ill intent than cars and why some states have stricter laws than others when it comes to gun control as a result. Whether or not the gun laws should be the same across the board is another discussion and was not your original question posed.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Aerlinthian posted:

Just to toss this out there, but does the first amendment fall under a "states rights" issue...?



What does the 1st amendment have to do with concealed carry?
Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
Yukishiro1 posted:

What does the 1st amendment have to do with concealed carry?

In that vain... What does the 1st amendment have to do with being able to carry on a conversation over the Internet without government interference?

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