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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Aerlinthian posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
What does the 1st amendment have to do with concealed carry?
In that vain... What does the 1st amendment have to do with being able to carry on a conversation over the Internet without government interference?
Are you high?
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Elocism  Title: Pseudonym
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Date Posted:
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
What does the 1st amendment have to do with concealed carry?
In that vain... What does the 1st amendment have to do with being able to carry on a conversation over the Internet without government interference?
Are you high?
It was a point made in an example of your own construction. Sorry you got lost.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Jorrdan posted:
Cawlin posted:
Jorrdan posted:
Perhaps I wasn't clear then. It is the intent I am speaking of behind the purchase of a firearm in one state and carrying it into another (some people actually do buy them for purposes that are not good which is why I used the DC/Virginia state line example) whereas with a car when I obtain a license my intent is to drive; not to kill people with the car (accidentally or no).
Intent or not, you're still more than 3 times more likely to kill someone with your car than a gun.
Further, do you really think that all people who carry firearms do so with the intent of killing someone?
Crossing state lines is an incidental part of life for lots of people, myself included. I fairly regularly cross state lines (not as regularly as when I did so on a weekly basis), and I carry a gun when I'm in my home state. My intention is certainly not to kill anyone.
Nope. I do not. In fact, I'd say that most people do so with no ill intent. I was simply stating why the driver's license analogy was flawed for me. I would say, for example, that more people buy guns with ill intent than cars and why some states have stricter laws than others when it comes to gun control as a result. Whether or not the gun laws should be the same across the board is another discussion and was not your original question posed.
So then you think that laws which make it illegal to carry weapons in a given state are a deterrent to those who carry a weapon into a state with the intent to commit an illegal act with that weapon in that state?
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Aerlinthian posted:
It was a point made in an example of your own construction. Sorry you got lost.
I am lost because you are not making any sense.
What does any of this have to do with reciprocity for concealed carry permits?
If you want reciprocity, write to your state legislator. It is not a constitutional issue.
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NuEM Posts: 1,007
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Aerlinthian posted:
The "answer" isn't what *I* want. What I want is...
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Yukishiro1 posted:
I am lost because you are not making any sense.
No it did make sense as your first question to me indicated because you tried to imply that concealed carry didn't enjoy 2nd amendment status. Hence you understood perfectly well what the point was.
Yukishiro1 posted:
What does any of this have to do with reciprocity for concealed carry permits?
This is you trying to drag my point back to a comfort zone for you, where you can try to beat it down with petty legal nuances, versus getting to the root of the question.
Yukishiro1 posted:
If you want reciprocity, write to your state legislator. It is not a constitutional issue.
It most certainly is a constitutional issue and you know it. You can go ask the local despots in Washington D.C. about the case they lost a few years ago.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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You think the 2nd amendment gives people the right to concealed carry? Why do you care about reciprocity then?
None of your arguments make any sense. If the issue is the 2nd amendment reciprocity is irrelevant.
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No, the argument makes perfect sense which I will now illustrate with your already provided help.
You asked:
Yukishiro1 posted:
What does the 1st amendment have to do with concealed carry?
The obvious implication that you're attempting to make, to counter my original question is that somehow concealed carry is not protected by the intrinsic right to bear arms.
To this I responded by asking if our intrinsic first amendment right is vulnerable to government interference because we are doing it over a medium that the founders did not foresee.
Your attempted point is that the founders didn't foresee small firearms that can be concealed, hence your argument that no 2nd amendment status applies. So based on your very own rational, I asked you that question.
Now, do you support the constitution or not? It is simple as that. And if you don't like how the constitution applies, then I suggest going about getting a constitutional amendment to the Bill of Rights to rectify that. But remember that our rights are inherent before you get yourself all wound up in pursuing a curtailing of them. |
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