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Jorrdan  Posts: 293
Registered: 2001-10-19 07:31:24
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Jorrdan posted:
The Driver's License analogy is flawed for me because I do not get a license in one state to go to another and use my car to kill people.
Wait... whut? A concealed carry permit does not give you the right to go anywhere and kill people so... wtf?
Taking one sentence out of context of the entire argument is also flawed but if that is what you need to do so be it.
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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Koneg posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
The Constitution is just a piece of paper.
Noted.
You are such a total moron. Full faith and credit is only due to valid judgements. Lack of jurisdiction invalidates a judgement.
If California comes out tomorrow and says "we flipped a coin and determined Metalface's building permit in Ohio should not be approved" you can't take that to Ohio and demand they stop Metalface from building his nerd bunker.
A state has no jurisdiction to determine someone is qualified to carry a firearm in another state.
Relying on the full faith and credit clause marks you out as a brainless moron who has no understanding of basic legal concepts.
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Koneg  Title: Evil Genius
Posts: 894
Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Koneg posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
The Constitution is just a piece of paper.
Noted.
You are such a total moron. Full faith and credit is only due to valid judgements. Lack of jurisdiction invalidates a judgement.
When a State authorizes an individual to carry a concealed weapon it is clear they have done so within their lawful jurisdiction. The Act, which authorized the Records, as a direct result of a judicial Proceeding... should therefor be given Full Faith and Credit by other States.
Yukishiro1 posted:
If California comes out tomorrow and says "we flipped a coin and determined Metalface's building permit in Ohio should not be approved" you can't take that to Ohio and demand they stop Metalface from building his nerd bunker.
That judgement was NOT made within California's legal jurisdiction... So, the question must be asked: just how much did it cost to get that guy to take the Bar exam for you anyway?
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Date Posted:
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Just asking here:
Why wouldn't the 2nd Amendment put all gun laws in the federal purview? As opposed to cars, which are not mentioned in the constitution.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Koneg posted:
When a State authorizes an individual to carry a concealed weapon it is clear they have done so within their lawful jurisdiction. The Act, which authorized the Records, as a direct result of a judicial Proceeding... should therefor be given Full Faith and Credit by other States.
Which doesn't include the other state. How dumb are you?
If New York is prosecuting you for concealed carry in in Alabama and you have an Alabama permit that violates full faith and credit.
But the Alabama permit only applies to carry within Alabama. New York has to recognize your right to concealed carry within Alabama, but full faith and credit doesn't require it to let you carry in New York because Alabama had no jurisdiction to make that decision in the first place.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Date Posted:
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Jorrdan posted:
Jorrdan posted:
The Driver's License analogy is flawed for me because I do not get a license in one state to go to another and use my car to kill people.
Koneg posted:
Wait... whut? A concealed carry permit does not give you the right to go anywhere and kill people so... wtf?
Taking one sentence out of context of the entire argument is also flawed but if that is what you need to do so be it.
To be fair, your statement was kind of absurd Jorrdan.
Further, the statistics don't agree with you.
You are in truth, about three times more likely to kill someone in another state with your car as you are with a gun...
There are almost 3 times as many vehicle deaths each year as there are firearms homicides.
There are around 250 million passenger vehicles owned in the US, and there are around 30-35k vehicular deaths per year.
There are around 200 million privately owned firearms in the US, and there are about 12k firearms homicides per year.
If you limit the firearms homicides to those committed with legally owned firearms the numbers get even more lopsided.
It seems that we should regulate driving more carefully if you ask me.
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Just remember, New York came in DEAD LAST on the Mercatus Freedom Index. I hope this case goes to the supreme court.
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Jorrdan Posts: 293
Registered: 2001-10-19 07:31:24
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Cawlin posted:
Jorrdan posted:
Jorrdan posted:
The Driver's License analogy is flawed for me because I do not get a license in one state to go to another and use my car to kill people.
Koneg posted:
Wait... whut? A concealed carry permit does not give you the right to go anywhere and kill people so... wtf?
Taking one sentence out of context of the entire argument is also flawed but if that is what you need to do so be it.
To be fair, your statement was kind of absurd Jorrdan.
Further, the statistics don't agree with you.
You are in truth, about three times more likely to kill someone in another state with your car as you are with a gun...
There are almost 3 times as many vehicle deaths each year as there are firearms homicides.
There are around 250 million passenger vehicles owned in the US, and there are around 30-35k vehicular deaths per year.
There are around 200 million privately owned firearms in the US, and there are about 12k firearms homicides per year.
If you limit the firearms homicides to those committed with legally owned firearms the numbers get even more lopsided.
It seems that we should regulate driving more carefully if you ask me.
Perhaps I wasn't clear then. It is the intent I am speaking of behind the purchase of a firearm in one state and carrying it into another (some people actually do buy them for purposes that are not good which is why I used the DC/Virginia state line example) whereas with a car when I obtain a license my intent is to drive; not to kill people with the car (accidentally or no).
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Registered: 2006-3-22 11:06:32
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This is a stupid argument. There are even cities with different carry laws than the rest of the state. Obviously being able to tailor laws to fit the situation is good.
There are some states that recognize each others permits though.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Jorrdan posted:
Cawlin posted:
Jorrdan posted:
Taking one sentence out of context of the entire argument is also flawed but if that is what you need to do so be it.
To be fair, your statement was kind of absurd Jorrdan.
Further, the statistics don't agree with you.
You are in truth, about three times more likely to kill someone in another state with your car as you are with a gun...
There are almost 3 times as many vehicle deaths each year as there are firearms homicides.
There are around 250 million passenger vehicles owned in the US, and there are around 30-35k vehicular deaths per year.
There are around 200 million privately owned firearms in the US, and there are about 12k firearms homicides per year.
If you limit the firearms homicides to those committed with legally owned firearms the numbers get even more lopsided.
It seems that we should regulate driving more carefully if you ask me.
Perhaps I wasn't clear then. It is the intent I am speaking of behind the purchase of a firearm in one state and carrying it into another (some people actually do buy them for purposes that are not good which is why I used the DC/Virginia state line example) whereas with a car when I obtain a license my intent is to drive; not to kill people with the car (accidentally or no).
Intent or not, you're still more than 3 times more likely to kill someone with your car than a gun.
Further, do you really think that all people who carry firearms do so with the intent of killing someone?
Crossing state lines is an incidental part of life for lots of people, myself included. I fairly regularly cross state lines (not as regularly as when I did so on a weekly basis), and I carry a gun when I'm in my home state. My intention is certainly not to kill anyone.
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