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illmyrin  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-25 11:52:26
Koneg posted:

illmyrin posted:

7614 mph = 3 403.76256 m / s

Mach 10.

The world's first Anti-ship ballistic missile. It can put a warhead on a target nearly anywhere in the world in under 5 seconds.

It must be an awfully small world you live on. Assuming at time zero it's already reached its maximum speed (impossible but go with it) the range at 5 seconds is ~17,000 meters - which is a little over 10 miles.



Ah fkin sht.... Koneg found my stupid!

(m / s doesn't equal miles/sec illmyrin.... it's meters.)

 

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Eradiani  3 stars
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right.. because I'm sure china knows were all of our subs are that can launch nuclear missiles from around the globe are..

 

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Testerion  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-12-28 03:07:47
Eradiani posted:

right.. because I'm sure china knows were all of our subs are that can launch nuclear missiles from around the globe are..



About as well as you guys know of Chinese 100-200 nukes that can all reach USA...MAD is a bitch.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
Moe_Nox posted:

No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.



Taking nukes out of the equation, it would probably fall to Russia/China and a few of their allies (Syria/Iran/some African countries). So that leaves Australia, the EU, India (although Pakistan might go to the Chinese if this war breaks out, but with no nukes, the best they'd hope to do is draw a little Indian attention and some US/NATO attention to Afghanistan.

This pretty much guarantees a naval encounter. No sane general is going to march into Russia as a main strategy, and I doubt many neighbors would be wrong to get involved on the US side to allow a forward assault to start in their country.

China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.

Again, this leaves the fight to air and naval strategies. Much like WWII, there would be an emphasis on island control, which would not sit well with the American public. We wouldn't like our troops dying in tropical islands of death fighting tooth and nail against asuperpower and public opinion of the war would plumet.

Until the first American city was bombed. Then there would be no force on the planet capable of stopping the American war machine. A democratic power fully engaged in a just war is a terribly powerful force (and it would be Just in 99% of Americans eyes no matter who shot first or who created the environment for the inevitable.)

The Chinese people would end up overthrowing its government mid-war and surrendering. The combined economic force of the allies would easily overtake the Russians and they would either have held out in support for the Chinese the entire war, or fall out before the end, depending on how strangled their economy was.
Russia would probably be on the offensive Cold War style, striking at satellite countries but never teaching on the allies directly.

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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Registered: 2003-6-5 13:32:39
Moe_Nox posted:

No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.



40 years ago, maybe

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

Carriers are far more vulnerable than people will admit, but China is still very vulnerable to interdiction of its resource and oil supplies.



If you somehow plan to blockade the Sino-Russian border, sure.


GrymmDAOC posted:

The USA is quite capable of feeding itself.



Not once fallout destroys crops and water supplies.

 

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Eradiani  3 stars
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Testerion posted:

Eradiani posted:

right.. because I'm sure china knows were all of our subs are that can launch nuclear missiles from around the globe are..



About as well as you guys know of Chinese 100-200 nukes that can all reach USA...MAD is a bitch.

Which is why this argument is silly. China wouldn't launch an attack on our aircraft carriers without expecting war from pretty much all of our allies.

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.


Ok, I will give you the out of thinking hypothetically of some distant time when China has these mythical capabilities, because as of now, currently, there is no friggin way they can project that kind of power. They simply do not have the means to do any large scale amphibious D-day type assault.
They might arguably be capable of traveling to Taiwan and emerging victorious on a beach landing. Maybe.

Mexico? Canada?

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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Registered: 2003-6-5 13:32:39
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.

Until the first American city was bombed. Then there would be no force on the planet capable of stopping the American war machine. A democratic power fully engaged in a just war is a terribly powerful force (and it would be Just in 99% of Americans eyes no matter who shot first or who created the environment for the inevitable.)



The thing is, China is never going to start a war with the US or really any other nation. America's only choice is to sit back and simmer with rage as China surpasses them economically (2016-2018), financially and technologically (2020-2025) and at last scientifically (2030+?). An attack on China by America at any point beyond now would possibly result in full-scale nuclear retaliation, and a definite financial meltdown for America.

 

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reesescups  4 stars
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
dae_trist posted:

Moe_Nox posted:

No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.



40 years ago, maybe



Dizammm that took a little over 3 hours...

 

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