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Aswakhtor  Posts: 135
Registered: 2005-1-18 16:44:43
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awsten posted:
ArcApt posted:
VWs aren't a good group class. Most of the people i play with consider VWs as barely more group-friendly than maulers or stealthers and i agree with that opinion: they're a sub-par BG(stunning is not enough, occasional disease can't make up for snares), and a bad frontline class(inadequate instant-spells).
The only good configuration a VW might fit well into, would be a tank group.
This is unequivocally false, VW get casted disease, BG, very nice Melee DPS, ranged interupts, nice ranged DPS, a bit of group healing even, a nice RR5 that effects the whole group, ichor.
In fact, VW is one of the most dynamic classes in the game. I would argue they are a necessity in any hib group...
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StanleyM84 Posts: 109
Registered: 2009-8-17 13:37:49
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Vale's are pretty amazing. Their only real weaknesses are cc vulnerability and thane-like HP. Good thing hib is the only realm with stun nukers.
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ArcApt Posts: 52
Registered: 2006-2-15 16:57:37
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awsten posted:
This is unequivocally false, VW get casted disease, BG, very nice Melee DPS, ranged interupts, nice ranged DPS, a bit of group healing even, a nice RR5 that effects the whole group, ichor.
In fact, VW is one of the most dynamic classes in the game. I would argue they are a necessity in any hib group...
Casted disease isn't all that useful on the frontlines: you need instants and/or mobility, there aren't that many opportunities to cast. Plus, melee DPS is of little use in a hib balanced group frontline: the only capable class in this area being the vampiir as they deal magic damage, are much less affected by debuffs, and unshearable.
This is even more the case for VWs btw, since they are a 2H-wielding class, feeling the full effect of endless red/yellow haste debuffs+ 6s pbt.
As BG, where you're more likely to cast and truly DPS, your aoe disease doesn't snare enough, and your melee dps won't compensate the casters' loss of dps because you can't effectively peel the tanks hitting them.
Ichor on a class without root makes it barely useful as it requires synergy, which isn't the case on other realms.
Yes VWs are very dynamic to play, but they simply have low group synergy. The only two good things about VWs are their ability to moc+disease and RR5.
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Aswakhtor Posts: 135
Registered: 2005-1-18 16:44:43
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ArcApt posted:
Casted disease isn't all that useful on the frontlines: you need instants and/or mobility, there aren't that many opportunities to cast. Plus, melee DPS is of little use in a hib balanced group frontline: the only capable class in this area being the vampiir as they deal magic damage, are much less affected by debuffs, and unshearable.
This is even more the case for VWs btw, since they are a 2H-wielding class, feeling the full effect of endless red/yellow haste debuffs+ 6s pbt.
As BG, where you're more likely to cast and truly DPS, your aoe disease doesn't snare enough, and your melee dps won't compensate the casters' loss of dps because you can't effectively peel the tanks hitting them.
Ichor on a class without root makes it barely useful as it requires synergy, which isn't the case on other realms.
Yes VWs are very dynamic to play, but they simply have low group synergy. The only two good things about VWs are their ability to moc+disease and RR5.
umm what are you talking about?
valewalkers have 2 ranged insta-interrupts (3 if you count throw weapon) compared to the thane's 1 ranged insta-rupt (2 if you count doomhammer). any valewalker worth his salt in a group setting will spec 44 arb, so not only will he have ranged disease, he'll have a pbaoe-insta disease as well. and it's not really the valewalker's job to peel tanks, thats what the warden is for. a valewalker should be clearing pets and constantly interrupting. with access to acuity buff, it is much easier to clear pets and pump out interrupts with the higher damage as well as a larger power pool.
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andynNIN Posts: 62
Registered: 2004-9-27 21:50:26
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StanleyM84 posted:
Vale's are pretty amazing. Their only real weaknesses are cc vulnerability and thane-like HP. Good thing hib is the only realm with stun nukers.
the rr12l3 smiter in me just laughed.
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Mastara  Posts: 1,446
Registered: 2004-12-29 22:52:21
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People play thanes? I mean since a level 50 first got in nf? Really?
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awsten Posts: 80
Registered: 2007-12-9 00:51:33
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ArcApt posted:
Casted disease isn't all that useful on the frontlines: you need instants and/or mobility, there aren't that many opportunities to cast. Plus, melee DPS is of little use in a hib balanced group frontline: the only capable class in this area being the vampiir as they deal magic damage, are much less affected by debuffs, and unshearable.
This is even more the case for VWs btw, since they are a 2H-wielding class, feeling the full effect of endless red/yellow haste debuffs+ 6s pbt.
As BG, where you're more likely to cast and truly DPS, your aoe disease doesn't snare enough, and your melee dps won't compensate the casters' loss of dps because you can't effectively peel the tanks hitting them.
Ichor on a class without root makes it barely useful as it requires synergy, which isn't the case on other realms.
Yes VWs are very dynamic to play, but they simply have low group synergy. The only two good things about VWs are their ability to moc+disease and RR5.
You have made it clear you have no idea what you are talking about, VW are not a frontline toon, they are a midfield toon. And there are plenty of opportunities to cast as a VW if you know wtf you are doing. GTFO these boards with your nonsensical paper daoc...
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DarkPCK  Title: Got to go house is on fire.
Posts: 457
Registered: 2003-12-14 12:38:01
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:05am
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awsten posted:
You have made it clear you have no idea what you are talking about, VW are not a frontline toon, they are a midfield toon. And there are plenty of opportunities to cast as a VW if you know wtf you are doing. GTFO these boards with your nonsensical paper daoc...
It's funny, you look down on paper DAoC when you're playing paper DAoC right now because you certainly don't play with anyone good.
They're certainly not needed for killing randoms on mainland where groups only need support and dps. And in 8v8 VWs haven't been used since Hib five melee groups became obsolete due to the popularization of Friars and Minstrels. Since then, it has been caster hybrid or caster heavy (since 1.110). There were some ideas of incorporating them into the post 1.110 three naturalist groups, but that hasn't happened yet. Any banelord tank with CL disease will suffice, since you just want a front line to handle interrupts (Bard(s) with a Druid and an off-tank using banelords and disease) and a back line (casters with one support) to handle dps.
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Mrtag25 Posts: 118
Registered: 2004-6-7 10:03:04
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Date Posted:
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lol thanes need love... you obviously haven't played a BladeMaster. Talk about needing love!!
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awsten Posts: 80
Registered: 2007-12-9 00:51:33
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DarkPCK posted:
awsten posted:
You have made it clear you have no idea what you are talking about, VW are not a frontline toon, they are a midfield toon. And there are plenty of opportunities to cast as a VW if you know wtf you are doing. GTFO these boards with your nonsensical paper daoc...
It's funny, you look down on paper DAoC when you're playing paper DAoC right now because you certainly don't play with anyone good.
Sorry, weak arguement is weak...
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