No, they've been a very good very underrated class for a long long time now.

 

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You were to infer that it's not really a #1 caster if it relies on two other casters to make it good.

 

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In the scope of the game, they have only very recently been worth having in a group. With additions such as the lullaby, the nearsight, the DD with heals, among other things they have gotten only until recently.

I would assume you never leveled a mentalist back before these changes.


While their utility as a caster was always very good ranging from dots to heals, the class was never really worth having over an enchanter or eld or animist etc.

 

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They did have the only AoE DD in the realm at one point...

Actually, there was a light ment on Bors back in OF days that was a nightly source of huge death spams. He made a pretty long video after quitting and it turns out he basically just nuked through every fight. They did have some of the same utility that they now have but he never seemed to use it (not even charming a pet). That's about the only time I've ever noticed someone competitively playing a ment before all the changes and it seems as though he could have just as easily played any other caster.

They can't make it specline as that would just be saying to ments "spec full mentalism or be a second class citizen", which just would not be fair to anyone who wants to spec mana or light.


By making it baseline at 49, it's available to all mentalists in CV and NF, which makes it the same as any class that can get convoker.


Personally, still think they should make SW a free ability for all classes that can get it now + ments, and replace SW with something new in convoker... AND put SW on a 15 minute timer.

 

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5 more days. Let the wee weeing begin

Yes let's take another thing that belongs only to Hibernia and pass it out like free candy. Ah well...I have stock in lube since I play hibernia anyways....bring on the rape.

 

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lol, that's a bit premature, isn't it? It's not an ability that belongs to Hibernia, it's an ability being tested on Pendragon as a means to make Mentalists more competitive; which in and of itself shows a lack of being in touch with the current game, because Mentalists are already competitive and wanted in FGs now after a series of fixes. This is just a knee-jerk idea that is not really a good idea as it sets a bad new precedent.

Handing out selective ML abilities as baseline abilities in an attempt to quick-fix classes is IMO short-sighted and will not lead to a more balanced game.

What's next, giving NSs Body Guard or Throw Weapon just because it's a useful ability that they don't get, but all other Assassins do? Maybe Theurgs & Necros would like Warlord in their baseline list somewhere, because they don't get any real use out of SM?

There are going to be lots of cases like this where superficially it would seem to make sense to hand out selective ML abilities as innate class abilities, and this change to Mentalists will open the flood gates of whining to get them to hand out cherry-picked ML abilities in a poor attempt to balance classes.


If Warlord is not a competitive option for Mentalists, how about we change Warlord instead rather then arbitrarily handing out the best abilities of other ML lines? I know that almost no Minstrel specs Warlord, and I'm sure most people that do spec it probably do so mostly because their other ML line is even worse (BM). So if Mythic spends a little more time making Warlord more competitive of a choice in today's game, then we wouldn't need to give Mentalists SW. It should be seen as an asset for them to be different from the other casters!

 

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how is warlord a bad spec line?

i think its one of the best lines. doesnt have the shiny efects that a clearly visible like purple giants but close to all of the abilities have its use. most bang for your buck imo

Well you can spec differently. Also don't forget that you will most likely not face higher than 12%(with the new change) energy resists, since nearly all healer and most clerics don't want to give up cure nearsight. That means a spec like 18 mana (gettonearsight + 10% debuff) 19 light (with high rr and items thats still a blue pet) and 47 menta you will do a lot of damage while healing a bit. You will also have a very good st mezz, demezz, getto ae for theurg pets, greater heal and a stun that you can reapply via ST.

btw Darkness RM debuffing his own nuke (10%+pierce 10%) against red resists: 219 delve * 0,7 = 153,3
Fire Wizz (15% + pierce) against red resists: 219 * 0,75 = 164,3
Above Menta with 10% debuff against blue resists (12%): 199 * 0,82 = 163,2
or vs Yellow (18%): 199 * 0,76 = 151,2.

So the damage isn't bad and your utility is very nice.