well i like to do things like ganking in world pvp in WoW (and would certainly play on a FFA server using my tactics), but i never trash talk or even emote spam enemies or anything like that. on the contrary it is often the sore losers who try to emote spam me or log on a level 1 to try to trash talk me, etc. so i know that the idea that gankers are all jerks and carebears are all princes is crap. those kind of nasty trash talking griefers are equally on both sides. i played on mordred in daoc for awhile, and i have definitely seen more of that behavior in WoW than i ever did on mordred.


for the record i gank because its fun and challenging. its the only situation in WoW pvp where you can be so vastly outnumbered and i enjoy that disadvantage (since instances like arena/battlegrounds are all fixed number of players, but when i do world pvp i can have 10+ enemies to myself.) if it were a game like daoc with non-instanced frontiers for pvp i could certainly go there instead because i would have even more targets, but there is no such area. but even in daoc people would whine and call me a ganker/griefer because i killed them when they weren't ready, were outnumbered, didn't want to fight, etc.


its just a winner vs sore loser debate. like people whining about the awp in counterstrike or about spawn camping, etc. they can't win unless they make up their own set of rules so they try to force others to follow them.

No friend, I'm giving you what you're giving me. Perhaps, you would like to identify who you actually meant with your 'troll' comment then? Someone else maybe?


Like I said before, if you don't believe it true and you think I'm a troll, just don't respond.


I actually don't think you're a troll. I think you're caught up in the 'I'll be cool too' clique you decided to join.


When you make valid arguments and discussion, I respond in kind with what you give if you recall from earlier threads. But, when you respond like you did in this thread, you'll get it right back.


As Korr stated, you don't like it when your tactics are used against you.


I know this will fall on deaf ears, but I hope one day like Peo realized, you're not doing yourself any favors.


And I'll treat you with the respect you deserve.

 

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You mean blanket statements like the following?











I agree 100%. All of these point out the absence of validity through the ignorance of gross generalizations.

 

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There's validity there.


The problem is when you encounter the player who will kill you over and over again when the victim has no chance. Let's say the opposing players have a twenty level difference between them.


Also, take into account, the player who simply wants to play the game, yet can't due to this situation.


It's part of the reason I finally left Aion. Granted, I knew it was a PvP game, but it eventually turned into a gank/zerg-fest with gear and level difference so vast you needed a suspension bridge to cross it.


I believe that's the biggest problem people have with a Free-for-All server.

 

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lol...you must have been one the kids who sat on your own tack in school. Just reply with "NO U" and be done with it. /rofl

 

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well the way i look at it, there is always an alternative. you can always escape and go to another zone where you can still play that character if you really want to. the world in WoW and in aion and most other mmos is such that there are several zones for every level. i think playing smart and avoiding enemies stronger than you is a big part of pvp in mmo gaming - it is ludicrous to expect the enemy to give you a free pass to safety just because you want them to. in fact i enjoy outsmarting and escaping from, or sometimes killing, higher level players.


i see your point that it can be frustrating for some people, but i think thats just a part of the game in any pvp system - and in fact one of my favorite parts. but if a person chooses to be on a pvp server but wants to dictate the terms of other player's behavior outside of the normal game rules then they are just being ridiculous.

Completely unrelated, but I love emote spam from players in BG's while losing horribly. Since I am alliance, it is usually my teammates doing it. Yesterday, I had one moron emote spamming while sitting on the road between stables and lumber mill while we were in the process of getting 5-capped. Way to go jackass, thanks for making us all look like idiots.....

 

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Refusing to see the nuance of an opponent's argument is no less an error than over-generalizing, in addition to making you look churlish when followed by ad-hominem insults. Nobody's saying FFA servers don't work at all, just that FFA servers tend to suck up far too many resources for their limited positive benefits to overcome from a business perspective. Arguably, this could be overcome with creative development and if anyone can do it, Blizzard should be able to.

But we were having an argument between FFA goons and mental defectives, right? Sorry to derail things.

[edit]Yes, I see what I did, there.

 

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Ardenwolfe is not a troll, that's pretty obvious. It's possible to disagree and even not like someone without them being a troll.


Of course you didn't say he was a troll, you were coy about it. But letting you know - he's not.

 

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/rose-colored glasses


Ah, the bygone days in DAoC when you'd salute a fallen enemy because you respected his fighting ability....


Anybody else miss that?


Oh. Sorry for the interrupt. Carry on the FFA-fest here.


/salute

 

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