Why bother, Arden. Just ignore the idiots, life is sweeter without them. It takes a bit of willpower, but it can be done.

Btw, I agree with Cawlin. Bad players with no respect for anyone else or just clueless oblivion is becoming more and more frequent. DF caters to griefers and retards.

 

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True.

 

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Why care if you're rewarded either way?

Add to that, you need to have a bare minimum of competency to even recognize deficiencies (this is part of the Dunning-Kruger effect). If the game's lack of encouragement and negative feedback is so poor that you don't even learn a comprehension of what you are doing wrong, you don't get to this level and you have a huge population of of players who are so bad they aren't even capable of seeing WHY they are bad (and therefore won't get better and react poorly/aggressively to the suggestion they need to).

And they'll all be at 85 before you know it.

 

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I hear yah. This is also much more prevalent at the lower levels, when the mobs usually aren't powerful enough to one shot anyone wearing heirlooms..

I know for the entire stretch of Wrath with the DF available, I ran all 6 of my 80's at least through one random a day, every day. Whichever one I felt like running more I would, and that varied from day to day, but at minumum 6 per day.

In that entire time span, I only came across ONE player (at 80) like the one you described who just showed his ass to the point that we booted him. Were there poor players in groups? of course. Undergeared? Of course. Mentally deficient? Probably a few..But only one booted for pure attitude. (I NEVER vote to kick someone for poor DPS, or any other reason for that matter)


On the flipside, this behavior was very common recently when leveling another warrior tank, again especially at the low levels. Funny coincidence that in my experiences, it was almost always rogues ...so I just let them tank it if they pulled it, and I would go pull a different mob, or set. Funny how the healer usually makes the right choice on "which tank to heal"...followed by the death of said rogue.

Just roll with it, have fun, and don't let that ONE guy overshadow the other 29 players that you have had no problem with that day...

This happens way to much on these boards, as people only focus on the one "less than optimal" experience, and forget the 1,000 that were incident free.

 

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So much for your ability to read between the lines. That statement was obviously a lie.

So much for your attempted "internet tough guy act"..It failed miserably.

So much for your side of the discussion, which is what again? Oh that's right, you don't even have an opinion on this matter..all you have done is feebly attempt to get a rise out of me, and that failed miserably as well.

Stick to what you know, which has to do with sugar, and Korrigan's arse....This is the only thing that you have "proven" yourself to be good at in all of your ramblings.

That was NOT rhetorical..but if you want to look something up..try the proper spelling of "embarrassment"..

Thus endeth the lesson. You may pay on your way out.

 

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Fair enough, I have played with some better then average players recently as well. I had a mage who would actually polymorph and extra mob as well as silence a casting mob I didn't manage to hit with my Shield. I did make a point to compliment him on both of these good habits.


As far as this behavior being less common at 80, I will agree with that some what as well. I think I only vote kicked two people from 70 to 80 and I did run a fair amount of random dungeons, at least one a day.


The only time I will vote kick someone is if their behavior is risking a wipe. I don't even have an add on that measures healing or dps, as long as I don't think you're going to kill us you're alright.


The one person I kicked was a hunter whoes pet was always running off to a differt group that we were not yet attacking, before we were done with the first group, or even just as we pulled it resulting in a double pull.

 

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Gutter, if I was trying to get a rise out of you, mission accomplished. Pretty obvious at this point. Also, yes, I spelled 'embarrassment' wrong.


You spelled 'keep' wrong earlier.


You really want to play editor with me now?


Like I've said before, if you want to call someone out on something, you better make damn sure your house is straight.


Otherwise, yeah, you'll get called out on it too.


Next, if I agree with a fellow poster on a valid issue, it's not 'ass-kissing' or whatever you like to imply. It means, literally, I agree and support his argument. In the debating world, we call that 'seconding' an agreement or point-of-view.


Finally, while I find your attempt to 'dismiss' me amusing with holier-than-thou antics, you really haven't displayed even a hint of articulation in an argument.


While, how say I say, cute, it's like watching your child dress in your clothes and attempt to play authority figure.


I'm starting to see Peo's point more and more.


That said, the point of this thread, since I need to address it again, is 'skilled' versus 'unskilled' players. Your attempted counterpoint with PuGs offers no substance.


I've hinted, stated, used as an example to Syrus, even used metaphor, that it makes no difference. The difference being that those players--willing to listen--can be be aided to help learn their class better.


If willing to listen.


But, like you, if they are not willing to listen, and just want to be confrontational as with Syrus's story, they are idiots not worth the time as Peo succinctly states.


And that, friend, is reading between the lines.

 

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Sorry, did you say something?

I wasn't listening..


/chuckle

 

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Why yes, Gutter, I did say something. You said that pugs will dominate Cata and I asked what makes you say that? Were you in the beta? From what bits of hearsay I've read, it seems that the dungeons will be harder, more like they were in BC, requiring CC and such.


I do have to disagree with the "Wow is not hard comment". Instances were indeed harder, imo, in BC, with people needing to CC (I even remember, as a hunter, needing to chain trap mobs and groups looking for a specific type of CC like sap or sheep) and follow a kill order. As opposed to Wrath where CC is practically non existent, hardly anyone even bothers marking targets, and AOE rules the day.