--Syrus-- posted:
Just a little story to add to the thread here, I have not been following these recent arguments, but earlier we mentioned what we expect out of our PuG's and so on and it was suggested rather then treat bad players poorly or kick them from our groups to just give them tips here and there to help make them better players.
It was also pointed out to us that some players just don't care to be better players at all.
I mentioned as well that even the smallest "tip" given to most players results in belligerent rudeness. Here is a prime example.
I was tanking Wailing Caverns with my new pally. I had a rogue in the group who obviously did not understand the concept of a tank in a group, after each pull he would just run forward into the next group and start attacking.
For the most part I could keep up with him, so I just threw my avengers shield in there as he was running up each time and made sure to take aggro from him. At this point I had decided not to bother saying anything, what he was doing was making the healers job a little harder, but I didn't think it would result in a wipe so I left it alone.
At one point the rogue ran off in the opposite direction not paying attention to where the group was headed and started attacking his own mob. Well because the rest of the group followed me including the healer he died. At this point I felt bad for the guy so I decided to take the advice given to me here and give this guy a friendly tip.
I said "Hey man, it would make it easier on you if you just let me tank the mobs."
He responded "Meaning?"
At this point I gave him the benefit of the doubt and actually thought he didn't know what I meant by me tanking.
"Let me take all the damage, that's my job, just attack the mobs that I'm attacking and you won't take any damage."
"
ou don't do shit. Shut up. Just go."
See what I mean? These are the types we are talking about. Why group with people if you don't care to be part of a team at all? His play style didn't change at all, I had to make sure and keep up with him and continue to pull mobs off of him that he would go after on his own.
At the point in Wailing Caverns where you have to jump that small small little gap.. he fell down took him a good 5 minutes to find his way back to the group.
I'm trying to take the advice of some of the people on this forum and not boot these players lest I be labeled "elistest" but I really don't think these players will learn either way.
I was honestly going to read through the entire thread before commenting but this one got me. Firstly, I'm not the best at this game. I may be able to think out what flow should happen but its tought to keep up with the action sometimes (blame the pain meds.) I don't know my characters in and out (probably partly because I jump from alt to alt so much.) I'm also a very slow leveler. I enjoy the environment I'm in and take the time to keep my crafting up with my levels on all characters, so I end up doing a lot of farming for materials. So, I tend to be very leniant on people in pugs.
On to the part of why I quoted this post. I've been leveling w/ my friend while we still had the raf bonus. Multiple times in pugs we would get hunters that did exactly what the rogue did. After running 2 previous pugs and having the hunters not wait for my friend to get agro (or even wait for pulls while we're still fighting others) we ran across the worst one. We were in Scarlet Armory and this guy would fire multishot as soon as my friend would even start in a group of mobs direction. We asked that he please wait for the tank to get agro before attacking. He said only "tank better", whatever that was supposed to mean since he was doing just fine. So, after 2 more times of him not even waiting for the pull, the rest of the group just stood there and watched him die. I hated to do it but, fair warning was given. We weren't rude about it either, being sure to ask please even. However, this guy just didn't want to listen. Sometimes it happens.
