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slythetove  Title: Julie's Pool Boy
Posts: 146
Registered: 2001-11-7 11:12:56
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
hopkjam posted:
I have to disagree, healing has a choice now. It's not .... everyones going to live while I spam aoe heals or tab renew anymore. The choice is simple and very clear. Let the dps who are messing up die and keep the good ones alive, try to heal everyone and expand too much mana, or don't. I'm a firm believer that there shouldn't always be a guarantee that all party members survive a fight. Sometimes death is an acceptable means if it means you save that extra 20% mana for the tank. That's the way it was done before wrath and I didn't see any problem with it. If people are going to keep blaming the healer... just stop healing that dps thats being dumb on a normal pull. When he/she and only he/she dies a few times they'll realize how hard stuff is hitting and hopefully start taking steps to avoid the bad juju.
You missed my point. I have no choice in what to cast. It's boring.
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siujoey  Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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Date Posted:
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
GutterSludge posted:
After a few runs, I would have to cordially decline your guild invite.
This one cracked me up.
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Zero_Washu Posts: 290
Registered: 2001-9-28 05:17:03
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
I wish people would quit claiming that groups need to learn CC again because "ITS JUST LIKE BC" because its not.
Its not even close.
First LFD does not make sure you have the correct CC needed for the instance, if it did a lot of people would be left out
Healers are borked because GC and BlizzDevs decided that we WILL heal the way they want us too. We WILL comply. So they engineered a system which forces the issue.
Healers obviously were not enjoying the game based on Blizzard's definition, as such they needed to be forced into the new model.
Sorry, but it sucks. DPS queues will forever increase until enough healers bother to both PUG and gear beyond encounters, which will probably lead to Blizz corrections to force them back into the "correct" mode.
This is all the classic dick move by developers. They have decided what they want from the game and damn the players if they want anything different.
Edit: If you want a challenge then keep the challenge to the raids where the supposedly "elite" players congregate to compare dick sizes.
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pattongb Posts: 84
Registered: 2002-5-28 12:07:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
siujoey posted:
Cawlin posted:
Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
Yes, but who cares? I don't care at all whether I am "good" or not. Somehow, I care even less if other people think I am "good" or not. I play WoW for fun. And right now, healing is just not fun.
I don't pay the subscription fee on my accounts for Blizz to "make me a better player". I pay them to entertain me. I like the use of CC again, and I like that people will have to use some strategy besides roflstomping their way through instances. Having said that..... healing is currently not fun.
^^ Noone is forcing you to play a Healer. Im sure you could have plenty of fun being a Rogue, Warlock, Mage or Hunter.
Try one of those and leave the healing to those of us who want it to be somewhat skillfull so we can take pride in it.
Thanks.
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IndridCole Posts: 223
Registered: 2009-1-7 16:24:59
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
Funny how I don't heal anymore.
However. I think this is a good thing that should not be changed. Why? Because now there is difficulty. Now there is teamwork. It won't take long for people to 'figure it out'. After pugging enough they'll either 1) face cold hard facts 2)actually find a guild and run dungeons with them.
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pattongb Posts: 84
Registered: 2002-5-28 12:07:13
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
hopkjam posted:
I can share some sympathy for healers, I used to heal a little in wrath and am a tiny bit scared to heal in cata. It's true players have learned that dps is all that matters. In cata, its dps avoidance or lack of taking damage that is the more impressive stat. I have to agree though with the severe punishment to healers. It may not be fun but it makes healers earn their kudos as well. It's bad groups that always instinctively blame healers though or ones that forgot about their cc's.
In pve healers in wrath could easily outheal any and almost all heroic damage. This made heroics easy, tedious, and boring. Now that healers have to work the upside is cc becomes useful again. I don't believe I used a single Sap on my main rogue throughout the entirety of wrath in pve content. It also makes healer stats actually have to focus on mana regen. I'm sorry I was literally sick of seeing healers in wrath pull off 8-10k hps heals and not seeing their mana flinch.
The biggest reason I applaud this change is the fact that healers in pvp were godly. A healer and a tank took at least a party of 5 if not more. THAT IS NOT BALANCE. Not only that, but the fact healers alone could simply not learn how to die. Countless efforts on various toons with decent to good pvp/dps gear unloading all rage/energy on healers just to end up with the fight having them at 100% health and 99% mana. That's more than a little disgusting. The old way resilience aided people made healers even a worse terror on the bg. Let's help healers by reducing damage and at the same time kill off the dps's crit chance but not a healers(albeit perhaps pathetic). Of course I have a similar complaint with all mana users but at least the effects of a bar of rage/energy can be seen. I'm sorry but a geared person unloading a very slow small and limited resource(rage/energy) should at the very least make a dent in the person using a very sizeable resource bar if not in health than at least in mana.
Thanks to cataclysm healers are killable again and so are the targets they so desperately defend. In wrath battlegrounds were not won at all by the quality of dps but the domination of your healing classes. NO MORE!
^^ Excellent post. Absoltuely said everything I wanted to say.
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Ferrydust  Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
pattongb posted:
siujoey posted:
Cawlin posted:
Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
Yes, but who cares? I don't care at all whether I am "good" or not. Somehow, I care even less if other people think I am "good" or not. I play WoW for fun. And right now, healing is just not fun.
I don't pay the subscription fee on my accounts for Blizz to "make me a better player". I pay them to entertain me. I like the use of CC again, and I like that people will have to use some strategy besides roflstomping their way through instances. Having said that..... healing is currently not fun.
^^ Noone is forcing you to play a Healer. Im sure you could have plenty of fun being a Rogue, Warlock, Mage or Hunter.
Try one of those and leave the healing to those of us who want it to be somewhat skillfull so we can take pride in it.
Thanks.
There are very few healers having fun right now. It is not too much to ask for. Just because you are enjoying it, doesn't mean the rest of us should quit playing our class. The one that we have put so much time into.
One thing for sure, this is the closest I have ever come to just plain not wanting to log in anymore. If I didn't have guild responsibilities I am pretty sure I wouldn't. The anticipation of logging in when I got off work is now closer to dread.
If I were alone in this... fine. But I am not.
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Elkabong08 Posts: 77
Registered: 2010-11-5 12:23:54
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
pattongb posted:
hopkjam posted:
I can share some sympathy for healers, I used to heal a little in wrath and am a tiny bit scared to heal in cata. It's true players have learned that dps is all that matters. In cata, its dps avoidance or lack of taking damage that is the more impressive stat. I have to agree though with the severe punishment to healers. It may not be fun but it makes healers earn their kudos as well. It's bad groups that always instinctively blame healers though or ones that forgot about their cc's.
In pve healers in wrath could easily outheal any and almost all heroic damage. This made heroics easy, tedious, and boring. Now that healers have to work the upside is cc becomes useful again. I don't believe I used a single Sap on my main rogue throughout the entirety of wrath in pve content. It also makes healer stats actually have to focus on mana regen. I'm sorry I was literally sick of seeing healers in wrath pull off 8-10k hps heals and not seeing their mana flinch.
The biggest reason I applaud this change is the fact that healers in pvp were godly. A healer and a tank took at least a party of 5 if not more. THAT IS NOT BALANCE. Not only that, but the fact healers alone could simply not learn how to die. Countless efforts on various toons with decent to good pvp/dps gear unloading all rage/energy on healers just to end up with the fight having them at 100% health and 99% mana. That's more than a little disgusting. The old way resilience aided people made healers even a worse terror on the bg. Let's help healers by reducing damage and at the same time kill off the dps's crit chance but not a healers(albeit perhaps pathetic). Of course I have a similar complaint with all mana users but at least the effects of a bar of rage/energy can be seen. I'm sorry but a geared person unloading a very slow small and limited resource(rage/energy) should at the very least make a dent in the person using a very sizeable resource bar if not in health than at least in mana.
Thanks to cataclysm healers are killable again and so are the targets they so desperately defend. In wrath battlegrounds were not won at all by the quality of dps but the domination of your healing classes. NO MORE!
^^ Excellent post. Absoltuely said everything I wanted to say.
Seems as if Blizzard can't balance both PvE and PvP. One of them has to take it in the shorts......
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IndridCole Posts: 223
Registered: 2009-1-7 16:24:59
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
GutterSludge posted:
Wouldn't marking targets for cc be easier than wiping and then explaining it later?
I tank, so I have these marks already hotkeyed, ctrl 1-4..and anyone can mark targets.
Make a macro that states all of this, that you spam when you enter the dungeon.
/macro
/say "If you are not going to CC, and stand in the fire, Do not blame your healer"...or something.
I have a macro for when I PUG that basically says the same thing. In fact I actually changed it while I was on a FP because I was reminded of this forum. So the future will hopefully go well for me.
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IndridCole Posts: 223
Registered: 2009-1-7 16:24:59
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
siujoey posted:
Cawlin posted:
Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
Yes, but who cares? I don't care at all whether I am "good" or not. Somehow, I care even less if other people think I am "good" or not. I play WoW for fun. And right now, healing is just not fun.
I don't pay the subscription fee on my accounts for Blizz to "make me a better player". I pay them to entertain me. I like the use of CC again, and I like that people will have to use some strategy besides roflstomping their way through instances. Having said that..... healing is currently not fun.
Then don't heal.
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