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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm [Locked] |
slythetove Title: Julie's Pool Boy
Posts: 146
Registered: 2001-11-7 11:12:56
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
Classic WoW and Burning Crusade - CC was required, and when it wasn't there the penalty was death. It was swift. It was so fast nobody (ok almost nobody) turned and blamed the healer immediately. The reason is because it was so obvious to them that everything was wrong from the beginning because they were immediately DEAD.
Wrath - Players learned to forget. They forgot CC, they forgot kill order, they forgot focus fire, and then ... well some just never knew these concepts at all.
In Cataclysm - The pull now requires CC, but they don't always know it. The pull happens, and I can tell you immediately we're going to die, because healers know the healing model does not allow them to output enough heals to keep the party alive with the damage that is coming; HOWEVER, the key difference is the tank and DPS do not recognize this! Since they live for sometimes 15 to 45 seconds they have time to watch their health slowly go down. They don't realize the healer is doing everything they can to save them because their bars never go up. They believe they've actually done their jobs, and died anyway.
Thus, they rage at the healer.
This is the current model. This is not good. This is not fun for a healer to have to explain CC and focus fire, and kill orders to people who don't to listen, and who don't understand why the healer is explaining it. Worst of all are the many times you get yelled at for trying to explain. They don't believe you. They just blame you.
This dawned on me last night when, after days of fighting uphill to heal and change, and adapt, and still not having any fun. It came to me after I did not even log in to play, because it's so not fun.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
slythetove posted:
Classic WoW and Burning Crusade - CC was required, and when it wasn't there the penalty was death. It was swift. It was so fast nobody (ok almost nobody) turned and blamed the healer immediately. The reason is because it was so obvious to them that everything was wrong from the beginning because they were immediately DEAD.
Wrath - Players learned to forget. They forgot CC, they forgot kill order, they forgot focus fire, and then ... well some just never knew these concepts at all.
In Cataclysm - The pull now requires CC, but they don't always know it. The pull happens, and I can tell you immediately we're going to die, because healers know the healing model does not allow them to output enough heals to keep the party alive with the damage that is coming; HOWEVER, the key difference is the tank and DPS do not recognize this! Since they live for sometimes 15 to 45 seconds they have time to watch their health slowly go down. They don't realize the healer is doing everything they can to save them because their bars never go up. They believe they've actually done their jobs, and died anyway.
Thus, they rage at the healer.
This is the current model. This is not good. This is not fun for a healer to have to explain CC and focus fire, and kill orders to people who don't to listen, and who don't understand why the healer is explaining it. Worst of all are the many times you get yelled at for trying to explain. They don't believe you. They just blame you.
This dawned on me last night when, after days of fighting uphill to heal and change, and adapt, and still not having any fun. It came to me after I did not even log in to play, because it's so not fun.
--Sly
I've only skimmed what you posted but from what I gather, I agree wholeheartedly.
Healers are probably *decent* (as opposed to "fine"  , it's the players who are freaking out over having to L2P again.
Honestly in my opinion, it's a good model. Unfortunately the healers will have to bear the brunt of it because of WOTLK habits that have to be unlearned, but otherwise it's a good model. Eventually people will L2P if only by virtue of the fact that healers will be even more scarce than tanks.
Stiff upper lip and all that Sly. Get some regular friends or guildies and run with them. CC EVERYTHING and gradually reduce CC until you find the point at which you can no longer heal the damage coming in. Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
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Date Posted:
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
Wouldn't marking targets for cc be easier than wiping and then explaining it later?
I tank, so I have these marks already hotkeyed, ctrl 1-4..and anyone can mark targets.
Make a macro that states all of this, that you spam when you enter the dungeon.
/macro
/say "If you are not going to CC, and stand in the fire, Do not blame your healer"...or something.
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siujoey Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
Cawlin posted:
Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
Yes, but who cares? I don't care at all whether I am "good" or not. Somehow, I care even less if other people think I am "good" or not. I play WoW for fun. And right now, healing is just not fun.
I don't pay the subscription fee on my accounts for Blizz to "make me a better player". I pay them to entertain me. I like the use of CC again, and I like that people will have to use some strategy besides roflstomping their way through instances. Having said that..... healing is currently not fun.
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Sociop Posts: 264
Registered: 2009-12-8 15:10:16
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Wrath - Players learned to forget. They forgot CC, they forgot kill order, they forgot focus fire, and then ... well some just never knew these concepts at all. posted:
Only if they never raided, even the Heroic ICC 5-mans required it to an extent.
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Sociop Posts: 264
Registered: 2009-12-8 15:10:16
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siujoey posted:
Cawlin posted:
Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
Yes, but who cares? I don't care at all whether I am "good" or not. Somehow, I care even less if other people think I am "good" or not. I play WoW for fun. And right now, healing is just not fun.
I don't pay the subscription fee on my accounts for Blizz to "make me a better player". I pay them to entertain me. I like the use of CC again, and I like that people will have to use some strategy besides roflstomping their way through instances. Having said that..... healing is currently not fun.
The way it is now it is almost better to just give all classes sufficient self healing abilities and you are either a tank or DPS and eliminate the heal class altogether.
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Demorak Posts: 300
Registered: 2009-1-16 11:20:55
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Sociop posted:
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Wrath - Players learned to forget. They forgot CC, they forgot kill order, they forgot focus fire, and then ... well some just never knew these concepts at all. posted:
Only if they never raided, even the Heroic ICC 5-mans required it to an extent.
 I've never seen CC used in there.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
siujoey posted:
Cawlin posted:
Seriously, this model will make everyone a better player.
Yes, but who cares? I don't care at all whether I am "good" or not. Somehow, I care even less if other people think I am "good" or not. I play WoW for fun. And right now, healing is just not fun.
I don't pay the subscription fee on my accounts for Blizz to "make me a better player". I pay them to entertain me. I like the use of CC again, and I like that people will have to use some strategy besides roflstomping their way through instances. Having said that..... healing is currently not fun.
Well everyone will define "fun" a different way. MOST people who have engaged in PvE content through WoW's history (not just through WOAOELK) do so because they find some level of coordination and teamwork "fun". If spamming shields and tabbing out to watch youtube is fun for you as a healer, OK I guess, but most would disagree with you.
What exactly do you find not fun about healing? Is it not fun that people die because they pull aggro? Is it not fun because the tank dies because people don't CC or the tank pulls too much? What SPECIFICALLY makes it not fun for you? (That's an honest question btw, I am not hiding a "gotcha" in there other than what I typed already.)
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Demorak posted:
Sociop posted:
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Wrath - Players learned to forget. They forgot CC, they forgot kill order, they forgot focus fire, and then ... well some just never knew these concepts at all. posted:
Only if they never raided, even the Heroic ICC 5-mans required it to an extent.
 I've never seen CC used in there.
With undergeared characters, CC was a huge benefit to HoReflection for instance. I guess you just never ran them with anything but an overgeared group...
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Sociop Posts: 264
Registered: 2009-12-8 15:10:16
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Reason Healers are taking the pain of Cataclysm |
Demorak posted:
Sociop posted:
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Wrath - Players learned to forget. They forgot CC, they forgot kill order, they forgot focus fire, and then ... well some just never knew these concepts at all. posted:
Only if they never raided, even the Heroic ICC 5-mans required it to an extent.
 I've never seen CC used in there.
Sure, in HoR with the waves of NPCs for example they required all of the mentioned.
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