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Boone-Eldar  Title: Infallible
Posts: 273
Registered: 2001-12-28 16:31:37
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Incoming class changes! ... not so great |
Before you dive down into the meat below (not really a pleasant image, that), be advised that we’re still early in the preliminary stages. The patch isn’t coming out tomorrow.
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Sly - Absolutely, positively I agree with what you are saying. Blizzard, in their own wisdom, created the cookie cutter roles of DPS/Heal/Tank. Each class, talented to whatever role they want, should perform 100% in each role. In Cata, their role types arent 100% efficient and it shows, especially in healers. Is this because of the way the healer mechanics work? I dunno. Maybe its just gear? I have no idea this early in the expansion.
What Im saying is the heroics can be done more efficiently (for us and at this time), with a secondary healer, then with just DPS, DPS, DPS, TANK, HEAL. In a few weeks/months, when EVERYONE is in 346 - 359 gear, our way may be inefficient because the healer may be able to do everything they need to do, without the help of a secondary healer. It then becomes, how much DPS can the group throw out there to kill everything super fast, which would probably get us through the dungeon even faster then with a secondary healer.
With this expansion, did Blizzard want us to utilize all of our class abilities in a group? Shaman, Paladins, Priests, Druids can all secondary heal in a group if there is a need. Did they plan on us doing this? Or is it just that everyone in a group needs to be geared in 346 gear to make each cookie cutter role the most efficient?
I dunno. I will say, I am loving secondary healing in a group now. Personally, it is so much more fun to drop specific totems when needed, throw out some ST heals or my healing rain. It makes everyones job easier and thats how I roll in real life. BTW, I dont have healing rain in real life...
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slythetove  Title: Julie's Pool Boy
Posts: 146
Registered: 2001-11-7 11:12:56
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Unstruck posted:
Sly, I see your point entirely. When I made my "disc DPS at level 85" thread, I noted how much fun it was to heal AND DPS at the same time. The whole Tank, 2.5 DPS and 1.5 Healer make up seemed like a great idea.
What I did not take into consideration, was how even more bored our dedicated Paladin healer was during the run. By having to take an extra healer, the main healer's role becomes more trivialized.
You're right in that at its core, the fundamental problem is that healing, in its current "spam heal" state, is NOT fun. That's what made me even try the DPS as Disc spec, which in turn made it not fun for our other healer, too.
The whole "adapt or move on" mentality applies to this game with every sweeping change they make every other effin patch. I'm tired of the ping pong, tired of the drastic changes in gameplay, and tired of having to reconfigure crap out every two weeks.
Just give me a fun game to play with my friends, and stop changing the meaning of "fun" just cause Bob from Blizzard accounting was bored on his disc priest.
In the meantime, I'm moving on. Thankfully, many of my gaming friends feel the same way, so we'll be migrating together.
Yeah reading your thread reminded me of how much fun I had late in Wrath healing as a smite Disc priest. I was so impressed that they had found yet another way to make healing interesting. I really enjoyed healing 5 mans that way.
Then they blew it in 5 levels.
I thought for sure they screwed up some coefficients somewhere, but this latest post saying healing is basically working like they want makes me very very sad. They WANT this. I can only shake my head and ask "why?"
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Arcilite_I  Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Cawlin posted:
Unstruck posted:
/facepalm at all the planned changes.
I don't know why, maybe it's just burn out, but I'm tired of all this ping-pong.
Arcilite_I posted:
I miss the early days of WoW, when the devs played and had a f*cking clue.
This is...ugh
It's somewhat funny, somewhat cathartic to see posts like this in this thread.
Hunter players have said the same thing since pretty much vanilla and have witnessed the schadenfreude from everyone else when we complained.
I won't rub it in too much, but yeah...
My first ever character was a hunter. I played him solely for the first two years of WoW. PvP, raids, etc
The difference between you and me is I never made myself a martyr over it.
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-Myk- Title: Not a War Criminal
Posts: 373
Registered: 2004-11-15 19:27:42
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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The healing and tanking changes is why I have pretty much quit WoW. I did enjoy healing (shammy/Druid) and tanking (Pally/Druid/DK) then they decided to make it more "FUN" and killed it all for me.
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-Mithan- Title: VNBoard Admin
Posts: 1,287
Registered: 2000-3-1 11:53:15
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Date Posted:
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Just leave my Death Knight alone. They killed my Blood Spec already and that was enough damage.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Arcilite_I posted:
Cawlin posted:
Unstruck posted:
/facepalm at all the planned changes.
I don't know why, maybe it's just burn out, but I'm tired of all this ping-pong.
Arcilite_I posted:
I miss the early days of WoW, when the devs played and had a f*cking clue.
This is...ugh
It's somewhat funny, somewhat cathartic to see posts like this in this thread.
Hunter players have said the same thing since pretty much vanilla and have witnessed the schadenfreude from everyone else when we complained.
I won't rub it in too much, but yeah...
My first ever character was a hunter. I played him solely for the first two years of WoW. PvP, raids, etc
The difference between you and me is I never made myself a martyr over it.
Correct, you chose to martyr yourself over the rest of the game instead lol.
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Everyone playing WoW knows everything about playing two classes: 1) their own and 2) Hunters
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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How so? I have yet to stick with a single aspect of this game I was unhappy with. Unlike you, I know how to move on.
Seriously, here you are 6 years later STILL bitching about hunters.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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The whining is DELISSSSSHUSSSS!!
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Cawlin posted:
The whining is DELISSSSSHUSSSS!!
So that's why you continue to do it, you enjoy it. Carry on.
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