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WOTLK was like Kratos: God of War
Cataclysm is like the Prince of Persia: Warrior Within

Double Posting DOES make it more true.. so whatever!

What Stormie said.

And what I said earlier, Mistakes should cost you, but it should not insta gib you. Some mistakes are beyond your control. As stated before, lag, computer issues, just a hair out of place because the graphic render is smaller than the effect area etc..

 

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Wrong, please don't counter my scientific research with your gibberish, and double posting doesn't make it anymore true. If anyone who actually has some empirical data behind their answers wants to say anything to counter my conclusion it will still be wrong but at least hopefully relevant.

 

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Not sure why this didn't occur to me before, but isn't this correct? Heroics weren't originally intended as an entitlement, as I recall, they were for people that wanted to and could do harder content. When they first came out, I would not have dreamed to PUG them.


Granted, with wotlk I think they gave everyone a sense of entitlement, and I think the gear train progression depends on everybody doing heroics, so not sure what the answer is.


So I think you're right, but I think Blizzard has for the most part created this situation, whatever and to what extent that situation is.

 

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One just has to remember the heroics in TBC to know that this is correct

And I'd like to add, about the so called "one shot" mechanics like the boulder of the last boss in Stonecore... if you don't like those mechanics, do the dungeon in normal mode. Those mechanics are made so that in heroic, one must actually pay attention and not just faceroll his keyboard to top the damage meter.

Yeah, they added raid-like mechanics to 5 man. The good players will deal with it without any problems. The others will have to learn, or... play something else, more easy. This can be normal dungeons in WoW, or another game... *shrug*.

And Nakal, please answer the question I asked: do you really think a mechanic should be removed or dumbed down because you, or rather your group, can't handle it, when thousands of other groups deal with it just fine? If yes, then that's what broken called "self entitlement casuals" in one of his posts recently, I think.

 

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If cata is considered too hard, then you aren't doing it right. Most dungeons are completely trivial with cc. And if you don't like the RDF not giving you the proper cc options, learn to /2 forming heroic group, need .... It isn't very hard.

 

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I've only been playing WoW since the first week of December (coaching football [soccer] really has its perks when school is out), and I really haven't found heriocs that difficult. I have no base to compare it to Wrath, but it really hasn't been that bad.

For me, the issue hasn't really been about group make-up, or CC or any of these in-game mechanics. The main issue I've always found is communication. Take Stonecore for example. If you use the RDF for Stonecore, you're bound to find a group with people who don't really know what they are doing, or haven't done the heroic many times. If this is the case, you are going to wipe before the first boss, at least twice in the first boss, and probably not even get pass the third.

However, if you are willing to communicate, it's not bad. Even when I did them for the first time, I always asked people in my guilds vent to explain the fight to me (even if they weren't in my group), or have people in my party explain it to me. Again using Stonecore as an example, if people pay attention to the fight, and don't stare at the boss/their keyboard, it's really trivial. Hell, during the second boss, I have my camera view aimed to the ground so I can focus on when the spikes + lava come.

At least it's a challenge. There is no fun in just being able to completely zerg a zone.

 

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This actually works very well..

1) If the run goes well you get a chance to find players that you can actually group with AGAIN.
2) Those responding are generally better players knowing they arent going to make complete fools of themselves and have to answer to "reputation".

That is a good point.. we have people in our guild that couldnt find their ass with two hands, yet they have all the same heroic/raid achievements as everyone else.. why?.. because its a good guild willing to help out those people that are more "challenged" than the others. Lets face it, its just a game and if some people are less attentive and casual/dont give a rip, then why not bring them along for the fun.. after all they are our friends..not business partners in something that is actually important.