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Author Topic: Cataclysm predicted to be the "WoW-killer" we've all been expecting [Locked]
Nakal  2 stars
Title: Moderator
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Posts: 363
Registered: 2002-7-9 11:50:38
Sorry Korrigan, even I have to agree that Heroics are unforgiving. Even if you know the fights, they are unforgiving if you make a mistake.

Challenging is one thing, but to wipe entirely on a what appears to only be a minor mistake is just annoying as hell.

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
Title: Scrub Buster
Posts: 955
Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
Don't make the mistake again. Problem solved. Or are you seriously meaning the content should be dumbed down because of a mistake you made, but that many others don't make?

WotLK: "Blizzard, whaaaa! Heroics are too easy! Give us challenge! It's boring!"
Cata: "Blizzard, whaaaa! Heroics are too hard! I want to faceroll like I was doing in WotLK!"

And if you can't take heroics - as I said, do normals. Join a decent guild. Do your normals with random people, and heroics with at least 3/5 guild members.
Problem solved - and it's way more fun than spamming the same button for 20 minutes without any risk. At least for those who like a challenge.

 

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Unstruck  2 stars
Posts: 260
Registered: 2004-3-24 18:59:13
The_Korrigan posted:

4) find a casual guild, or a guild like mine who has raiders and non raiding members - and enjoy the content with good players.
Note that you don't need 1, 2 and 3 if you have 4. They will be automatically fulfilled.

5) do normal mode dungeons. It's the same dungeons. You get to see the content you "pay for" just as well. Gear up there.

Or of course 6) whine on forums the game is too hard, and hope Blizzard will change it. That's what broken calls the self entitlement casuals, I think. Those who want to keep on facerolling heroics pressing one key and being carried by others like they were doing in WotLK.

Or at last 7) take the easy route and give up when facing a challenge, and watch Dr Who instead. Don't forget to still say on forums the game is too hard.

The antisocial lone wolves refusing to join guilds only reap what they sow. It may take a few tries before finding your ideal guild, but once there, your game experience will be exponentially enhanced.



My last post was awesome. Concise, and a well stated opinion of mine. I didn't feel the whine in it, but I can't control how you interpret what you read.

I am in a guild, a great guild. Those 2 hours a night I am on, most of them are not. I could find a new one, but I actually have friends in this guild.

I don't see why it has to be so black and white. LK heroics were too easy. Cata heroics are too unforgiving. Is there no middle ground? Must the pendulum always swing all the way left or all the way right?

I'm not giving up in face of a challenge. I stand up and face more challenges IRL than you could ever possible know. In a video game, when the challenge is fun, I am all over it. When it isn't fun, there is no reason to pursue it. The challenge in heroics is not fun, especially when your group cannot meet 2 of those bullet points I listed.

I could spend my entire wow life running regulars ad nauseum, but I wouldn't see my character grow. He has everything he needs from the regular dungeons, and all the crafted and rep gear that I know of. I've learned the fights, I don't mind researching things like that. Again, the problem lies in finding others within my two hours a day I can play the game who have done the same.

Since I cannot find that, I've stopped playing the game this week. I've stopped in now and then to talk to guildmates and run old school content until my subscription runs out.

Korrigan, I understand you post what you post (and how you post it) because you enjoy the rise you get out of people and find it entertaining. That's fine, we all get our joys in life differently. But don't misjudge my intentions of posting right now: I love this game, I've healed in this game since priests had Sleep in beta. I've done everything in this game (before Cata) and been with it through every patch and hotfix.

I have the right to post my concerns about it on these forums, I have soooooo earned it. The fact - for me - is that the unforgiving difficulty settings for healing heroics is making it almost impossible for me (with my schedule) to progress through the content. Since leaving my guild isn't an option, all that is left to do is pursue other things that will give me the same level of joy during my two hours.

Right now, one of those is posting here and sharing my experiences with the vault familia. The other is Doctor Who.

Have a good night.
The_Korrigan  3 stars
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"I have always thought I rocked at WoW but I just discovered that I sucked".

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Flesh_Wound  1 star
Posts: 86
Registered: 2002-8-21 11:30:42
I, for one, would like to play AND watch Doctor Who, thank you.

 

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Auenwing  3 stars
Title: straightface
Posts: 589
Registered: 2002-12-27 23:23:12
Unstruck, I've found your posts concise without whining. You've added a lot to the discussions out here.


I'm sorry this expansion isn't what it could have been. A lot of us are frustrated for various reasons, your concerns have just as much merit. And this IS the place to discuss those. Ignore any meaningless attempt to "judge" or dissuade you otherwise, it's already been established that they have forfeited credibility.


Back on topic:


Blizz does have a habit of swinging that pendulum in extremes. Hang in there. I'm still expecting adjustments on an almost weekly basis for the next couple of months. (Pattern recognition).

 

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Ugh_Lancelot  3 stars
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Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
Auenwing posted:

Unstruck, I've found your posts concise without whining. You've added a lot to the discussions out here.

I'm sorry this expansion isn't what it could have been. A lot of us are frustrated for various reasons, your concerns have just as much merit. And this IS the place to discuss those. Ignore any meaningless attempt to "judge" or dissuade you otherwise, it's already been established that they have forfeited credibility.

Back on topic:

Blizz does have a habit of swinging that pendulum in extremes. Hang in there. I'm still expecting adjustments on an almost weekly basis for the next couple of months. (Pattern recognition).

Well stated. And their "habit" of overnerfing/overbuffing is indeed well established. Hell, even the "A team" did it.

 

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GutterSludge  4 stars
Posts: 1,034
Registered: 2005-11-6 10:54:55
The_Korrigan posted:

The antisocial lone wolves refusing to join guilds only reap what they sow.



I am having a blast in Cata, gearing up nicely, doing awesome in heroics, and all without a guild.


Yes, I reap what I sow:

No drama.
No set schedule.
No "dependency" on anyone else.
No worries whatsoever.
My friends lists are packed. I get invited to "guild" runs every single day from friends. They all know why I am not guilded, and they don't care. (but because I refuse to join a guild, I'm anti-social??? ROFL at that one!!) I say take the entire "guild required" mindset and shove it up your arse!!

Total: I have a blast. Period.


All Korrigan is stating, is that he cannot play without the "crutch" of a guild to brace him up. I take my hat off to those people who pug, who are not dependent on others to have fun, and especially to those who realize that different people enjoy different playstyles.

Dogging anyone because of that difference in playstyle is just an uneducated, ignorant, and pathetic attempt at a bait and troll.

Yes Korrigan, we know. Your way is the only way, and everyone else is wrong, which in your mind makes you "right". You have repeated this lie to yourself so many times that you actually believe it, which is one of THE funniest things to ever come across these boards IMHO.


To everyone: Play the way YOU like, and have fun. (Even you, Korrigan..even though you are a complete arse, I do respect your right to enjoy your own playstyle)

If it stops being fun, don't play.

 

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--Syrus--  3 stars
Posts: 536
Registered: 2003-12-2 15:51:47
I've been away from this thread doing a little bit of research. I now return with the findings of my scientific experiment.

*Waits for the anticipation to build.*

Wrath of the Lich King... is to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 AS Cataclysm is to Call of Duty: Black Ops.

You're Welcome!

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st0rmie  1 star
Posts: 108
Registered: 2005-4-20 00:33:25
Zero_Washu posted:

I just love the L2P folk. Sorry, Cata's instances were made challenging by nerfing the piss out of healer efficiency. Not much else to it, you essentially have a soft enrage called "the healer runs out of mana" because healers no longer can compensate for mistakes that other people make, like a blown CD, not seeing the fire (because it doesn't draw for certain video cards or across certain textures).


I disagree. Most of the fails and wipes I have experienced in heroics have been nothing to do with healers running out of mana, but rather caused by someone (could be anyone) failing to correctly deal with a "do it right or instagib" mechanic.

Blizzard talked a lot about "healers will go OOM if people do the wrong thing and take unnecessary damage." But in my experience, doing the wrong thing is far more likely to instantly kill you, than to waste the healer's mana. A particularly gruelling recent Stonecore run I did saw a lot of wipes. On the dragon, we wiped because people stood in the crystal storm or the lava and took far more damage than could ever be healed. On Ozruk, we wiped because people took 150k hits from the rupture because they were standing in the wrong place. On the last boss, we wiped because people took 600k (!) hits because they didn't move out of the firing line of the boulders she throws.

I've seen similar mechanics in lots of heroics. You get it wrong, you don't waste the healer's mana. You just die. And if the tank or healer gets it wrong, it's an instant wipe.

 

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