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Yes I'm aware of "admininstrative costs" in charity organizations. You either missed my point entirely or are deliberately being argumentative. Either way, not gonna waste my time.
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Quazimortal  Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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Did someone hear the bleating of someone whose opinion is worthless around here?
Hmm, must have been the wind...
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Quazimortal posted:
Did someone hear the bleating of someone whose opinion is worthless around here?
Hmm, must have been the wind...
Yep, a lot of hot wind would be my guess.
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PallyDog  Title: WoW Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-3-4 07:09:21
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Quazimortal posted:
CowboyPhil posted:
Actually I like the idea of droping my guild rep to 0 and taking all the rep that I committed to the guild to 0. So to the guy that asked if he actually THOUGHT about it yeah some of us did. You must be the GM of your guild and hate the idea that you cannot manipulate people by threatening to boot them. I am tired of grinding for a guild. Everyone is talking about the REP and yes the rep and guild rewards are a fun thing. My issue is when I deposit 20 Truegold into the GB and then get booted cause the GM is takes them all sells them in the AH so he can apply it to his chopper fund, pisses me off. When I question him I got booted because I had no right to question how guild bank items are used.
He then booted all of my toons that had contributed JUST as much and 4 were exalted. So yeah they should have been punished due to one douchebag, and that douche would be the GM
You obviously don't understand the concept of a donation. If you didn't want people doing whatever they wanted with the items then don't donate them. Since you had 4 exalted toons in the guild you had to have been there long enough to know what kind of person the GM was so it's your own fault for being careless with your items.
You're the douchebag for trying to tell the GM how to run his guild.
Just to clarify, is there any sarcasm in that Quazi?
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
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PallyDog posted:
Quazimortal posted:
CowboyPhil posted:
Actually I like the idea of droping my guild rep to 0 and taking all the rep that I committed to the guild to 0. So to the guy that asked if he actually THOUGHT about it yeah some of us did. You must be the GM of your guild and hate the idea that you cannot manipulate people by threatening to boot them. I am tired of grinding for a guild. Everyone is talking about the REP and yes the rep and guild rewards are a fun thing. My issue is when I deposit 20 Truegold into the GB and then get booted cause the GM is takes them all sells them in the AH so he can apply it to his chopper fund, pisses me off. When I question him I got booted because I had no right to question how guild bank items are used.
He then booted all of my toons that had contributed JUST as much and 4 were exalted. So yeah they should have been punished due to one douchebag, and that douche would be the GM
You obviously don't understand the concept of a donation. If you didn't want people doing whatever they wanted with the items then don't donate them. Since you had 4 exalted toons in the guild you had to have been there long enough to know what kind of person the GM was so it's your own fault for being careless with your items.
You're the douchebag for trying to tell the GM how to run his guild.
Just to clarify, is there any sarcasm in that Quazi?
I'm always 100% for serious on the VNs. 
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Rill_of_WE Title: WoW Vault Site Manager
Posts: 557
Registered: 2002-8-6 09:16:33
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It's interesting to read and see the different experiences here.
My guild is awesomesauce. Been around since Asheron's Call. Have a lot of people we've known for years and some who've joined recently but quickly becoming stuck like glue. Very stable, very fair, very open. But we also have strict rules about acceptable behavior. It's how we stay stable and fair. We (the leadership) put expectations on our members to self-govern so we don't have to have a 4 page long set of rules to cover every loophole about every situation. It also takes most of the unfun work out of leading. So there's low/no stress about it.
We treat people like adults. We expect people to act like adults so consequently, they do. It's amazing the standards you can hold people to simply by showing them respect. You can then expect them to be good, honest people. But you must also work to keep yourself worthy of their desire to earn your respect in return.
You could say we develop our people, not our guild. That's where our focus has always been. Games will come and go. It's all just pixels. But on the other side of those pixels, is a person who is full of potential. That person is smart, funny, wise, gifted and unique. But you have to respect them and get to know them in order to bring that out in them. THAT is what our guild is about. ^_^
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These differences are why guilds(groups) should not be weighted so heavily in any game.
I don't login looking for friends. I login looking to have fun, playing a game with other people looking to login and have fun playing a game.
Having to put in any of this extra effort to "cultivate the proper guild" is ignorant from the start, and detracts from my time playing the game for fun.
I have had thousands of fun dungeon runs/battlegrounds with complete strangers.
Friendship is not required.
Guilds are not required.
Drama is not required, nor should it be tolerated for one millisecond.
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siujoey  Posts: 280
Registered: 2001-12-26 09:10:44
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Different outlooks like this are the reason there is guild drama when progression is introduced. Clearly people like Gutter and I will differ from Rill because we have different expectations of the guild's function. She nurtures a family type organization. I couldn't tell you the character names of 5 of my guildies off the top of my head. She fosters these relationships spanning years. On the other hand, I don't know anyone's real name, let alone any more personal information, and I prefer it that way. I have never met anyone in my guild, and I don't plan to. I'm not looking for connections in WoW, I am just looking for warm bodies to fill roles so I can entertain myself for an hour or so in a dungeon and the guild just makes that a little easier.
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The best guilds are the ones with a good leader who runs his guild like a democracy - asking memebers their opinions on decisions, having guild meetings, or at least having a council of officers to help decide things. You can tell pretty fast if your in this type of guild, or if you're in some guild where the guild leader is an idiot and makes rash stupid decisions. Unfortunately, WoW has a lot more of the latter than the former. I don't really agree with voting on the guild leader... he formed the guild and the guild leader is usually a direct reflection of the guild, so why vote them out?
I'm not a fan of the guild leveling and rep system. People shouldn't be forced to stay in a guild that's not really working for them, and guild leaders shouldn't be able to hold membership over their guildie's heads. I get what Blizzard was trying to do, but it doesn't work in a game where people are only looking out for themselves. Guild loyalty and activity isn't something that can or should be forced. I'd actually prefer more of an in-the-moment achievement system than filling up experience bars that go away if you decide to disband or get frivolously booted.
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Spookysheep Title: Lieker of Cheese
Posts: 1,248
Registered: 2002-1-9 06:49:19
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1/1/00 12:00am
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Blizzard has lost a crap ton of subscribers over the stupidity of the new guild system as it is one of the main choices in the exit survey when you cancel.
No doubt the C team knows they screwed up, yet again.
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