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Dums  Title: Moderator
The mystery flavor
Posts: 248
Registered: 2002-10-29 08:17:13
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Topic of the Week - Guild Democracy |
Alpha_Swift posted:
Put it simply, there is no recourse for bad behavior.
Ya, there is. Leave the guild.
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Dums Title: Moderator
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Posts: 248
Registered: 2002-10-29 08:17:13
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Topic of the Week - Guild Democracy |
CowboyPhil posted:
The guild system has been broken from day one, GM *can* be tyranical leaders that are only our for themselves. There is also the laxidasical GM that doesn't give a flip.
I would love a democratic guild. Officers are elected and it take 3/4 vote to kick someone, just like in dungeons Queues.
Officers should elect to run for office, there should be a 2 week voting window. Elections could happen every 6 monthes. It would however create a world of problems too. People BUYING votes for gold (yeah you know it would happen). hurt feelings, people leaving the guild due to not liking the officers.
I think you should have guild types that are set when you set up your guild
CAPITALLISTIC - Everyone has access to the items and gold, GMs are elected, officers are elected, but cannot be demoted.
DEMOCRATIC - Officers are elected, you can not hold office more than 2 terms
IMERIALISTIC - Current Guild Setup
EUTOPIAN - NO GM, all items are shared equally, if everyone is given X number items each day, everyone has the same about of gold withdrawal everyday. Which is = to 25% of total earnings divided by the number of guild members with offsets for guild standing.
Eutopian? I think you mean communist 
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-Peo-  Title: Caveat Lector
Posts: 408
Registered: 2005-2-2 08:38:42
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The solution is easy.
When a person leaves a guild (or gets booted) that person loses all rep and progress with the guild. The same should happen to the guild. The guild loses xp and progress that the person has earned. You want the perks for a guild, you STAY with the guild and the guild STAYS with you.
This will solve 95% of the problems with guild booting and guild hopping.
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Arcilite_I  Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Topic of the Week - Guild Democracy |
-Peo- posted:
The solution is easy.
When a person leaves a guild (or gets booted) that person loses all rep and progress with the guild. The same should happen to the guild. The guild loses xp and progress that the person has earned. You want the perks for a guild, you STAY with the guild and the guild STAYS with you.
This will solve 95% of the problems with guild booting and guild hopping.
So punish the whole guild because one person is a douchebag? Do you even think your posts through AT ALL?
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-Mythril- Title: International Man of Mythery
Posts: 118
Registered: 2001-1-6 20:42:31
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1/1/00 12:00am
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The main form of guild government that can consistently work for any length of time is basically a dictator with a council.
Ideally the dictator stays out of 90-95% of the basic day to day hassles and workings and whatever drama there is. The council runs most things
The council is usually people picked by the dictator.
Dictator reserves the right of veto or ultimate decision but ideally should very rarely use it.
Pure democracies never work in game. Unless of course the guild is about 4 people in size.
Representative Democracy aka (republic) only occasionally last a long time. Biggest problem is a lack of leadership depth. Despite what people believe not everyone has the charisma or the ability to pull it off. turning guild leadership into a prom king/queen popularity contest is a recipe for disaster.
I do know of one long standing 10 year plus guild that rotates leadership in it's various games. It's a multigame guild. (but then again they still have that one person whom you almost never hear from who actually most people will defer to if he speaks. which is about twice a year.)
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-Peo- Title: Caveat Lector
Posts: 408
Registered: 2005-2-2 08:38:42
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Topic of the Week - Guild Democracy |
Arcilite_I posted:
-Peo- posted:
The solution is easy.
When a person leaves a guild (or gets booted) that person loses all rep and progress with the guild. The same should happen to the guild. The guild loses xp and progress that the person has earned. You want the perks for a guild, you STAY with the guild and the guild STAYS with you.
This will solve 95% of the problems with guild booting and guild hopping.
So punish the whole guild because one person is a douchebag? Do you even think your posts through AT ALL?
I do actually. If that person worked so hard to get the rep and guild xp, chances are he/she is gonna stay. It is a long grind, and leaving out of a tizzy fit is not the act of a mature player who can stick it out. It is the ones that are in the guild for a couple weeks and decide that <My Lil Pwny> the twink guild is better than <Mega Level 25 guild>. Besides, it will keep the GM from kicking the true power behind the high level guilds, the people who put in the work. They put in the work for a reason.
But hey, way to keep your VN tough guy persona going.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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Topic of the Week - Guild Democracy |
Meh..the game is supposed to be FUN...it is not supposed to be a measure of "I must put up with x amount of BS in order to get y amount of whatever".
I don't put up with BS in my professional life, why in the hell should anyone have to put up with it in a game? For "guild achievements"??
Are you serious??
Edit: And, your way of thinking has already been disproved by Pally's earlier post. The GM had the opportunity to be a cawkflop, and took it.
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NukeMage Posts: 346
Registered: 2002-4-7 16:58:45
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Does anyone really think that "democracy" or any other type of vote-in for guild leadership will solve these problems?
Because we all know how honest most politicians and elected officials are in real life . . . I can only imagine what they would do in a video game with no real repercussions for misbehavior!
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Arcilite_I Title: VN's Most Wanted
Posts: 1,260
Registered: 2002-1-27 08:46:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Topic of the Week - Guild Democracy |
-Peo- posted:
Arcilite_I posted:
-Peo- posted:
The solution is easy.
When a person leaves a guild (or gets booted) that person loses all rep and progress with the guild. The same should happen to the guild. The guild loses xp and progress that the person has earned. You want the perks for a guild, you STAY with the guild and the guild STAYS with you.
This will solve 95% of the problems with guild booting and guild hopping.
So punish the whole guild because one person is a douchebag? Do you even think your posts through AT ALL?
I do actually. If that person worked so hard to get the rep and guild xp, chances are he/she is gonna stay. It is a long grind, and leaving out of a tizzy fit is not the act of a mature player who can stick it out. It is the ones that are in the guild for a couple weeks and decide that <My Lil Pwny> the twink guild is better than <Mega Level 25 guild>. Besides, it will keep the GM from kicking the true power behind the high level guilds, the people who put in the work. They put in the work for a reason.
But hey, way to keep your VN tough guy persona going.
If you actually thought your posts through, this one wouldn't exist, because it basically proves me right.
Thanks.
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PallyDog  Title: WoW Vault Staff
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Posts: 991
Registered: 2003-3-4 07:09:21
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
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I for one find it odd that there can only be ONE gm per guild. In Dark Age you could have a couple people at that level and it often kept things a bit more balanced. And frankly you can't always tell if a GM is just gonna pull something like that out of his arse. Why? Often he may seem like a nice guy and wants to raid, help out his guildies, supports events and so on. So why on earth would you assume he's gonna pull some crap like that? While I thought this guy showed a few signs of being arbitrary, I never would have expected what he did.
And frankly, when things like this happen, Blizzard will lose subscribers. When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee? Oh wait...they're drinking the recreational stuff already. That's why all this is fun!
Almost makes you wonder if they're trying to kill the game on purpose.
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