Our old GM and his wife decided to leave our level 20 guild, so they made a trusted friend of ours the new GM and quietly moved on to other games.

We wish them well and will have a place for them in the guild if they decide to come back.

I'm not sure how this is relevant other than to say not everyone is a douchebag.

The only way to escape the douchebaggery inherent in online gaming is to realize that the people and the fun are more important than gear or achievements or gold. Once you embrace that and find like minded individuals life gets much simpler and more enjoyable.

 

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The general problem is that people want the benefits of leading without the burden of leadership.

A democracy could work if everyone did their part, but generally that isn't what happens. And as such, if you are going to put time into leading, you end up being the leader(s).

 

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Found this gem on the WoW forums. This train wreck is actually fun to watch unfold.

http://www.theluckystrikes.net

Dear Plebs,

If you're here, and raging, it's probably because you just realized you were gkicked. I've already deleted all your forum accounts, and removed all your boards. There's nowhere you can post or vent so please, just read this.

For the most part this was an awkward experiment we never intended to go as far as it did. I jokingly recruited a few people out of trade chat, gave them ginvite power, and this thing for the most part grew itself. With it was the nice realization that our 10m raid crew could push levels faster and not have to farm heroics every day, so we let it ride. We figured it was a nice give and take, you guys got the best perks available and we got our XP cap every day. To be honest we mostly let it go because we thought cash flow was going to be awesome, but it turns out you guys were collectively pretty #@!*ty at farming gold. (Over the last 5 months we've made about 14k off of a roster of 900+ people). But the XP was flowing, life was easy, and this was a nicely self-sustaining little eco-system that we just sat back and watched grow.

Unfortunately what accompanied this was an alarming number of less desireable members. Guild chat was basically useless, there were too many idiots to even try to manage, and for the most part nobody wanted to do anything. We gave you forums. We gave you vent. We gave you calendar events. We left GMOTD's saying "come sign up on the forums for X event!" and 2-3 people would do it. We tried to coax some of the more promising members into leadership roles, we gave them an entire section of the forums with spelled out raid strats, pvp discussion, and more.

We tried. We really did try.

What we got was a whole lot of nothing but people #@!#@ing that we wouldn't buy their epic flying, or pay their repair bills, or let them have potions out of the bank. People whining that we never carried them in our main raids, or that we didn't run them through heroics or lower level dungeons. We got a million stupid questions a day about how to spec or what stats are good for X class. We got the few people we thought were worth keeping making a mess out of the little power we gave them. Promotions / Demotions were @##!ed around enormously, guild MOTD and notes were all ruined, and gchat just eventually became a giant sea from which all the idiots could troll.

When we hit 25 I kicked everyone that was inactive. I gave you all a few weeks after I cleaned out the roster to see if you would actually do anything other than occupy space in the guild pane and badger the bejesus out of us with stupid @##!ing tells. I gave you your time to finish reps, buy heirlooms, get what you needed, and get out. The time has come, and now, the ride has come to an end.

That's not to say you're all bad, or useless, but let's be honest; any of you worth a #@!* shouldn't be in this guild anyway because the reality of it is that we're never going to do anything but 10m raiding. We have no spots for you. We have no spots in an alt raid for you. We have nothing to offer you but a backup spot on a roster of people that don't ever miss raids. It probably seems like a !#@% move to kick you, but in the long run we're doing you a favor.

So, to all of you, thanks for what you did, we hope you enjoyed the perks while they lasted, but we're ready to have our nice quiet, mellow guild chat back. Enjoy the heirlooms, enjoy the mounts, enjoy the recipes, and I hope you enjoyed the ride. I can deffinately say it was at least, interesting, for me.

Eum

 

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Bad GM, he wanted all the perks of being a guild leader without the actual hassle. THis is a case where his guild should have been de-leveled. If you want the xp from your members, you should have to do work for it. But hey, they did all the work for him and now he can just get rid of them like cattle. So much for integrity.

 

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This is exactly why the guild system is utter failure. It is literally Farmville for guild masters and his close clique in a lot of guilds. They farm their cattle until they have the big payout then send them to butchers block cutting them from guild.

And a small guild is totally screwed for any kind of meaningful progression in the guild leveling system. They screwed the pooch on this one bigtime. But I guess as long as their pet subscriber base of hardcore guilds are happy with the perks and goodies then who gives a s**t about the "plebians", right?

 

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Overstatement. My guild of less than 20 people is like level 19 already.

 

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Oh, I meant smaller than that. Thanks for pointing out though that it is decently paced for what I would consider mid-sized guilds.

My point was basically that they set up a system that can be "gamed" or power-leveled by guilds willing to be cut-throat about taking on new members for the sole purpose of leveling their guild, then removing them.

 

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20 is a small guild, unless of course these 20 people raided together all day, then perhaps they'd be a small hardcore guild.

I'm sure we have our own opinions, but it is hard to make an MMO to cater to a smaller sized guild. Unless the stars align and you all play at the same time and were at the same level, a 20 man group would probably struggle to make a single 5-man dungeon group.

 

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