One problem many mature guilds face is entrenched leadership. Quite often the guild master or officers will always do things their way, feelings get hurt, people leave and start the same process over again. What about a democratic guild set up? Perhaps each month or sixth months guild leaders need to be or can be voted on? If this was an optional type of guild you could select when forming a guild, would you do it? What problems can you see with it? Is this is a viable type of guild for an MMO?


The Topic of the Week is a contest run by WoW Vault! The best reply will receive VIP Insider for 2 weeks! Potential winning posts are judged according to length, interpretation of the subject and writing style.

Disclaimer: Winners with too many ToS violations on their account may not be eligible to receive the reward.

Posted from WoW Vault

How about no guilds at all?

The only solution for no drama.

 

-----signature-----

So it finally happened. My old guild had a problem. Raiding drama, who filled what role, who got togo on a raid no matter who signed up and showed up on time regularly, who formed the raids, constant wipes with no progession, sniping, whining, autocratic leadership, selfishness, all that good stuff.


A couple people, myself being one of them, got fed up and left. Joined a great guild and happiy raiding with good peeps but that's another story.


Due to the recent turn over in the guild, new officers were promoted, new people were asked to lead raids and then were not supported and so on. A buddy of mine stuck around, partly due to guild loyalty and partly due to the fact he didn't want to start over farming guild rep. He logs in last night with a nice little in game mail from the GM. The GM is taking a break from WoW.


So what did the GM do? He booted everyone from the guild aside from family members. That means he totally wiped out the time and effort of at least thirty people who worked to reach exalted, who put their resources into guild achievements, who set aside other opportunites due to guild loyalty. That's also thousands of gold worth of gear, materials, and well...gold in the bank that no one can touch now. This was done at like midnight when few if any were on so no one had any warning. A level 20 guild with seven bank tabs full and numerous achievements. How much will that guild fetch on Ebay?


What's wrong with this picture? What recourse is there for those players?

 

-----signature-----

Guilds only work when the player base isn't 85% children and 12% adults who act like children. This is WoW's biggest problem.

 

-----signature-----

Put it simply, there is no recourse for bad behavior.

 

-----signature-----

I guess I'm just lucky that I am in a very small guild of people where we have known each other since the beginning of DAOC. No drama, run 10-mans when we feel like it, fool around in BGs most of the time and yet managed to reach level 20.

 

-----signature-----

That's awesome, you're in the 3% I left out of my above post...be happy about that hehe

 

-----signature-----

The guild system has been broken from day one, GM *can* be tyranical leaders that are only our for themselves. There is also the laxidasical GM that doesn't give a flip.

I would love a democratic guild. Officers are elected and it take 3/4 vote to kick someone, just like in dungeons Queues.

Officers should elect to run for office, there should be a 2 week voting window. Elections could happen every 6 monthes. It would however create a world of problems too. People BUYING votes for gold (yeah you know it would happen). hurt feelings, people leaving the guild due to not liking the officers.

I think you should have guild types that are set when you set up your guild

CAPITALLISTIC - Everyone has access to the items and gold, GMs are elected, officers are elected, but cannot be demoted.
DEMOCRATIC - Officers are elected, you can not hold office more than 2 terms
IMERIALISTIC - Current Guild Setup
EUTOPIAN - NO GM, all items are shared equally, if everyone is given X number items each day, everyone has the same about of gold withdrawal everyday. Which is = to 25% of total earnings divided by the number of guild members with offsets for guild standing.

Guilds worked perfectly fine until they implemented guild rep.

 

-----signature-----

Nahh..the problem is that forced grouping style of WOW forces people who like/want to pve to join guilds.


When people join guilds because of friendship, they work as intended.


There is no middle ground.

 

-----signature-----