Again, you make no sense unless you're saying you played and fought against other players without any gear. What Spirit says is correct in context. If it's the amount between the two that amuses you, I think you could state so in a better fashion. If you lack the ability to do so, which I believe may be the case, then your previous opinion would make sense.

Even if a game is all about skill, the gear and equipment still modifies the outcome in a certain percentage. For example, World of Warcraft leans more toward gear. In AC, perhaps more toward skill. Guild Wars 2 aims more toward skill. But, in all cases, gear does come into play.

To say any of these games uses or will use none of the ratio between the two is silly and just outright wrong. Skill would only come into play exclusively in you're fighting without any equipment at all. Even Guild Wars 2 isn't making this claim.

I understand that the ratio toward skill in the World versus World is what is also attracting many PvPers.

 

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In AC one could definately do this...especially in a mage vs mage fight, however many a foe has fallen to someone in a baned/protted ROBE, and yes, even naked.

Also remember, that if what you call "gear" is equally attainable to every single player, then it becomes a null part of the equation. (or gear/skill "ratio"

What really proves my point is for a level 150 to be able to destroy a level 275, because the guy driving the 150 actually knows what he is doing.(because again, level becomes null in the equation when 95% of your attribs, stats, etc are full blast by 150...)


Gear, didn't matter. Level, didn't matter.
Skill mattered. Positioning mattered, because you couldn't just run through your opponents. Movement mattered.(to actually physically dodge attacks, no standing still, ever)

This was also required when fighting PVE targets as well....

Yup. I laughed at his statement...as it is blatantly false.

 

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Again, you make no sense. Using this logical extreme, one could say that this is true for all MMOs since gear is 'attainable' for all players should they do what's required to gain it (i.e. raid, farm, etc.). Trying to nullify such a thing is ridiculous based on such an extreme conclusion. In other words, even if a player was completely naked and attacked someone higher level, geared, yet less skilled, the ratio of armor and modified stat bonuses would affect how long and how hard it would be to kill said, and geared opponent, even if the naked opponent won.

You cannot 'nullify' this aspect because it goes against your opinion or argument. Sorry.

Since Guild Wars 2 increases your level and abilities to the max level, in World versus World, this could be a valid point later. But, until we see it in action, I would hesitate to argue that point.

 

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Following this logic, WoW PVP is purely skill based, since the gear is equally attainable by every single player and therefore becomes a null part of the equation.





Unless a naked level 1 character can defeat a fully geared, max level character, level and gear do play some part in PVP. Ballad of the Noob doesn't count. The level and gear may not be the most important part of the scenario but it does matter to some degree.

I can kind of see where you are coming from, skill may be able to give you an edge over a slightly better geared or higher level character, but to deny that level or gear matter at all is a bit extreme.

So I can login AC right now, and equip a brand new toon with the same armor if not better then people are wearing at 150....

Fully tinkered, majors, the works..
Your buddy want to start a new char also?

Break out the mules, and gear him up instantly as well....No restriction on trades...no "bop" items.

Can you login to WOW and do that?

Hell no you cannot. Therefore, the GEAR didn't matter in AC.

Get it?


Can you kill people twice, three times your level in WOW?
Hell no you cannot. It happens ALL THE TIME in AC...Therefore, Level AND GEAR don't matter...

Get it?

Can you kill someone twice, three times your level while NAKED in WoW?
As a melee char in AC, it was a completely normal occurrence to kill mages while naked, and on occasion melees as well. Armor only helped you when you actually got hit(and then only if the attack was melee)..if you evaded all of your opponents attacks, it just drained your stamina, based on how heavy your armor and the size of your shield were. (of course being right next to a mage as a melee char required serious movement capabilities...but if you could dodge spells at point blank range it went well)


Everything you are trying to say was "necessary" simply wasn't.


When things don't matter, they just don't effing matter. Comparing "skill" to "gear" with a 'ratio' for AC is in fact comparing something to nothing.

 

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No Gutter. I don't get it. I am simply unable to force myself to believe that a naked level 1 could win against a fully geared, max level character. Skill may indeed matter a lot more in AC then it does in WoW. I wouldn't know because I never played AC. But for you to continue to insist that gear and level are completely irrelevant makes you look a tad silly.

I don't foresee you toning down your fanatical "skill is the ONLY thing that matters in AC" stance so I will just gracefully bow out of this discussion.

I understand. WOW was probably your first MMO, and you just don't know any better.

I'll leave you to ask around about AC..Don't take my word for it...Just ask around.

I'll be gracious when I accept your apology.

 

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And there comes the snide, condescending Gutter we all know and despise.

It's really sad when you have to resort to creative editing in an effort to twist my words and try to make it seem like I said something I didn't. You really should consider a career in politics or sensationalism reporting. I hear those "skills" are quite useful there.

I accept your apology.

Shoot me a line anytime you feel like you need to further your education, I don't mind teaching...

Really, I don't.

 

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Looks like Mithan forgot one troll in his cleanup of this thread...

 

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