That's valid. Again, we'll see if it pans out and if ArenaNet keeps their word. It'll be a nice change if just one of these MMOs could hold my attention for more than a month or two. But, again, we'll see.

 

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Blahaaaaa. Just had to pop by and laugh at this statement.

 

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I feel the same way about having to PVE for crafting items.

 

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2 random examples: Daoc high end PVP and Wow 2.2k+ arenas. Both required some amount of skills, at least for those interested in winning. If you didn't time abilities right or use them wisely, you wouldn't win either.

Or playing a really good healer/great tank for example, both of which did require skills in WoW.

I think one of the biggest draws of GW2 right now is the fact that SWTOR was a little bit of a let down and too WoW-like. Interest in WoW is slowly declining, which led to people leaving to check out SWTOR. Now that people realize it's not the next greatest "4-5 year" game, people are looking for the next biggest release. That is GW2.

I liked GW, but as a MMO player, it didn't feel like a MMO and it really wasn't. It was a lobby town with zones that you can do some quests in.

What really impressed me about the game was the engine. It looked good, was very smooth and fast. The game was literally an .EXE and a data file, not tons of .dlls and other stuff. It was impressively tight code. Combat was good and it was interesting how you could mix classes. I think I remember reading that some of the dev team were "demoscene" coders and those guys know how to write some tight code.

If this continues with GW2 and they make it more persistent and "MMO", I think it will be worth a look for me.

 

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I'm curious as to why this amuses you? In most of the MMOs I've played, they required you to have have skill as well as proper gear. In fact, in many, if you had great skill, you could overcome an opponent who was better geared yet poorly skilled.

Only recently, especially with World of Warcraft, has that been tilted more toward gear than skill due to reasons that Mithan hinted in his last reply. Guild Wars 2 states it wishes to bring this ratio back toward skill where many PvP players also wish it to return.

This, apparently, includes PvE where a skilled player could overpower a much higher-level mob because they used their dodging and movement abilities to avoid taking massive damage or any damage at all. We've seen this demonstrated in various videos.

So, I believe Spirit makes a valid point with his statement. Perhaps, you need to clarify why you feel the need to mock it when it appears absolutely true.

 

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I laughed because this statement, "MMOS have always been about skills/gear, not about skills exclusively." was obviously posted by someone who never played AC(or a probably half a dozen other mmo's).

If you require more explanation than that, then I'm going to laugh at you as well.

 

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I'm interested in GW2 because it's the first "mainstream" MMORPG (aka a product made by a big company with money to make a proper engine and proper graphics, and not some failure game made by two noobs in their garage) which seems to want to get away from the WoW clone infestation that plagues the MMORPG genre since 2004. A game that is not gear centric, where the holy trinity is broken apart, which offers quite nice graphics (according to the videos) and a big world to explore with "dynamic" events instead of static quests? Hell, sure I'm gonna keep an eye on it!

I remain skeptical and cautious though, and I don't give in to the hype - I'm waiting to see the game myself before saying that it's the best thing since WoW. All MMORPG veterans know that most of the time, when it seems too good to be true, well... it ends not being that good. For instance, see what happened with Rift... the hyped "dynamic events" were just another form of mob spawn, and didn't change the world at all. We will know soon enough now anyway, I can't see them keeping the NDA up once the people who will pre-order the 10 all get their beta event access, it will be impossible to maintain.

PS for Peo: GW2 has just as much PvE gameplay than it has PvP. It's not a pure PvP game at all. And PvE will also be more skill centric than gear centric. Actually, this concept reminds me AC1 a lot.

 

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this section is completely appropriate...on the GW2 boards you get a complete biased opinion, since most are in DAOC withdrawl thinking that GW2 is going to be DAOC2 for some reason, and here you have a lot of posters that just come and read the random dumpster fires of WoW, hoping for something special.

Ill be trying GW2, hoping for some type of game that i can play forever..but i know that the odds are against it. the PVP is the aspect that gives me hope, and i honestly hope they do it well...free to play is another aspect that i enjoy. since money isnt really a issue, if i love the game then i can just throw money at it...if not then oh well, goes into the pile of crap we set aside for Goodwill.

 

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Are you saying that in AC and those half a dozen other MMO's you mentioned, you could PVP without any gear at all and still win against fully geared opponents? And I'm not referring to grey ganking. That, in my opinion, is not PVP. That is just griefing.