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theredkay1 Posts: 611
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Ashmaele posted:
From the article I linked:
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Opponents, including some school boards and PTAs, say home-schooled kids are not required to meet the same academic criteria as public school athletes — attend and pass five classes per day
Supporters of this: Is this not a valid point?
It seems like a true statement...but Im not sure its a good reason to not allow it.
I guess if you see a wave of kids on sports teams dropping out of school to get around the academic requirements you can revisit the law.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Allstarslacker posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Allstarslacker posted:
The academic criteria are there to make sure the school and students are more focused on education than sports. In a home school environment the parent is responsible for making that call. I'm sure a good parent wouldn't let their child play if they were falling behind on their studies.
A 'good parent' might not, but I think you are underestimating the lengths to which parents will go to 'provide' (insert your definition of that here) for their children.
Are there controls in place to ensure that Little Johnny (and not Big Johnny Senior) took the tests and passed the courses? (I honestly do not know)
Seems like it would be easy for dad to say, "Look! My son got all A's, put him in at quarterback, coach!" when dad was the one who took the tests. Unless the kid takes his tests at some kind of monitored testing center how would you prevent something like this?
http://www.floridaschoolchoice.org/information/home_education/FAQs.asp#Evaluation
I'm sure they are different from state to state, but I'd imagine most of them require the child to be evaluated by someone other than the parents.
It sounded okay til I got to this part:
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(The legislation does not require the superintendent to inspect all portfolios.)
I would want it written into the law at the very least to require superintendents to inspect ALL portfolios of students who were participating in sports.
And unless I completely read that wrong there is still nothing they could do about a parent taking a test for a student.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger
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Registered: 2001-12-24 05:02:15
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Both of my kids went to public schools, but were still basically home schooled.
There's no way I'd leave their education up to the clowns in the K-12 system.
As long as the home schooled kids parents pay taxes to support the public schools I don't see the problem with letting them play sports. Some places have a voucher system that gives home schoolers some tax breaks, they definately should have to give those up before their kids can play sports.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Tych2 posted:
If it is okay with the state to graduate then I am okay with it.
As I said, I can't see this affecting a lot of children to begin with. Why ostracize them further because of actions not of their doing. I support inclusion.
Graduation requirements are much, much, much less then the requirements for the privilege of playing team sports.
We were required to keep a C average to play each semester. It's waaaay to easy to get around that with homeschooling.
That's way different then 'you only have to pass certain class and must pass standardized tests'
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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_Enkidu_ posted:
Some places have a voucher system that gives home schoolers some tax breaks, they definately should have to give those up before their kids can play sports.
I thought those were ruled unconstitutional? I know they were here in Florida, maybe SCOTUS hasn't addressed the issue yet.
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Kjarhall Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
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Don't care. If parents think they can do a better job, they're welcome to it.
Personally, i've never seen anyone that came out better from it.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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Kjarhall posted:
Personally, i've never seen anyone that came out better from it.
Then you are not looking very hard.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Some people might be skeptical about these cases existing, but Google the name "Tate Forcier" and go to the website maintained by his dad, qbforce.com, for the life story a kid who:
- was homeschooled
- appears to have mostly studied "football" during high school
- parents shopped him around to various high schools to showcase his athletic skills
- got a DI scholarship
- ...and has since failed out of two colleges
I'm sympathetic to home school kids who just want to play sports in their district, so I think reasonable accommodations should be made to allow that, but I think the concerns about dbag parents trying to turn "homeschooling" + access to high school sports into proxy minor leagues are also valid. High school and even very young amateur athletics are increasingly becoming commoditized (hello Rivals.com, ESPNU broadcasting high school football and basketball games, Pop Warner and Little World Series Games getting significant TV exposure, etc.). I don't see that abating anytime soon. The natural consequence of that is going to be dbag parents doing dbag things with their kids to garner that attention, or visibility for the next step toward a scholarship, or path to athletic superstardom, or whatever they're trying to get their rocks off to. I think schools should guard against that kind of behavior.
I can't say if this law or whatever policy it replaced was overly broad or not. Just that the whole "lol OF COURSE YOU LET HOMESCHOOL KIDS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT" meme seems equally problematic.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Ashmaele posted:
Some people might be skeptical about these cases existing, but Google the name "Tate Forcier" and go to the website maintained by his dad, qbforce.com, for the life story a kid who:
- was homeschooled
- appears to have mostly studied "football" during high school
- parents shopped him around to various high schools to showcase his athletic skills
- got a DI scholarship
- ...and has since failed out of two colleges
I'm sympathetic to home school kids who just want to play sports in their district, so I think reasonable accommodations should be made to allow that, but I think the concerns about dbag parents trying to turn "homeschooling" + access to high school sports into proxy minor leagues are also valid. High school and even very young amateur athletics are increasingly becoming commoditized (hello Rivals.com, ESPNU broadcasting high school football and basketball games, Pop Warner and Little World Series Games getting significant TV exposure, etc.). I don't see that abating anytime soon. The natural consequence of that is going to be dbag parents doing dbag things with their kids to garner that attention, or visibility for the next step toward a scholarship, or path to athletic superstardom, or whatever they're trying to get their rocks off to. I think schools should guard against that kind of behavior.
I can't say if this law or whatever policy it replaced was overly broad or not. Just that the whole "lol OF COURSE YOU LET HOMESCHOOL KIDS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT" meme seems equally problematic.
That really doesn't justify not allowing kids to play sports.
This kid had parents who were willing to screw him over and that is why he failed out of colleges. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Some people might be skeptical about these cases existing, but Google the name "Tate Forcier" and go to the website maintained by his dad, qbforce.com, for the life story a kid who:
- was homeschooled
- appears to have mostly studied "football" during high school
- parents shopped him around to various high schools to showcase his athletic skills
- got a DI scholarship
- ...and has since failed out of two colleges
I'm sympathetic to home school kids who just want to play sports in their district, so I think reasonable accommodations should be made to allow that, but I think the concerns about dbag parents trying to turn "homeschooling" + access to high school sports into proxy minor leagues are also valid. High school and even very young amateur athletics are increasingly becoming commoditized (hello Rivals.com, ESPNU broadcasting high school football and basketball games, Pop Warner and Little World Series Games getting significant TV exposure, etc.). I don't see that abating anytime soon. The natural consequence of that is going to be dbag parents doing dbag things with their kids to garner that attention, or visibility for the next step toward a scholarship, or path to athletic superstardom, or whatever they're trying to get their rocks off to. I think schools should guard against that kind of behavior.
I can't say if this law or whatever policy it replaced was overly broad or not. Just that the whole "lol OF COURSE YOU LET HOMESCHOOL KIDS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT" meme seems equally problematic.
That really doesn't justify not allowing kids to play sports.
This kid had parents who were willing to screw him over and that is why he failed out of colleges. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Maybe not, but it also doesn't justify not holding the home schooled kids to whatever minimum/up-for-debate standards to which the kids who attend schools are held.
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