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Sin_of_Onin  Posts: 1,307
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Ashmaele posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
I have no problem with standards by the way. I don't really see why you need a new set of standards for sports kids but whatever.
I'm not talking about a new set of standards, I'm talking about applying an existing set of standards to a new group of participants.
Should participating in sports should be divorced from actually attending class? Or just for the kids whose parents are idiots and allow their kids to "homeschool" to lift weights, study playbooks and work on drills? Are you advocating for publically funded youth sports programs not tied to the public education system? I can maybe buy into that. I can imagine why we might see sport as a public good (for reasons I find personally questionable, like keeping kids fit and disciplined for compulsory military service and fast integration should the need arise) -- but no reason to tie it to academics or education. Or maybe the converse, where public schools and the states get out of the business of subsidizing amateur athletic activity altogether.
But given the current status quo, it seems unfair to setup a two-tiered system where some kids get to stay home and work on football drills all day and other kids have to actually attend class and perform their classwork to maintain standing/eligbility to play.
If it is worth the government paying for sports for public school kids it is worth paying for the home school kids.
IMO you are approaching the issue backwards. IMO you have to justify the act of stopping kids from participating in sports and I have yet to see any argument why you would not allow home schooled kids.
The rule against home schooled kids makes zero sense.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Again, I will reiterate: I am not necessarily against allowing home schooled kids the ability to play public school sports. What I am against is giving home schooled kids preferential treatment with regard to public school sports. I am not sure I made that clear in previous posts but that is my position. And it certainly does appear as though the law Bonzo referred to does that to some extent.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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Ashmaele posted:
Again, I will reiterate: I am not necessarily against denying home schooled kids the ability to play public school sports. What I am against is giving home schooled kids preferential treatment with regard to public school sports. I am not sure I made that clear in previous posts but that is my position. And it certainly does appear as though the law Bonzo referred to does that to some extent.
If you consider being free of all the test of public school kids then homeschooling in general has a lot less requirements that can be considered special treatment. It is a measure that makes no sense because the nature of trying to have the government teach thousands of kids is significantly different than a parent teaching their child.
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theredkay1  Posts: 611
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Rosaria posted:
Ashmaele posted:
But given the current status quo, it seems unfair to setup a two-tiered system where some kids get to stay home and work on football drills all day and other kids have to actually attend class and perform their classwork to maintain standing/eligbility to play.
That's a completely false argument. Who says kids stay home all day and work on football drills?
It certainly seems possible.
If a small group of kids get to play group sports, thats great. But if the cost is another group of kids leaving school to focus on sports...is it worth it?
I think responsibility for policing this falls on the coaches. If they have a kid who has potential, its up to the coach to make sure the kid knows his next step in sports will rely on meeting some academic requirements.
Ash has a legitimate concern but my guess is the number of kids who do that will be very, very small.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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The coach is the last person that you would want responsible.
The basis of home schooling is parental responsibility. The reason why there are all these rules around public education is to hold the government responsible to the parent and the taxpayer.
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Rosaria  Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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Registered: 2003-8-22 10:07:30
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Ashmaele posted:
Rosaria posted:
That's a completely false argument. Who says kids stay home all day and work on football drills?
I am not saying that kids stay home all day and work on football drills. I am saying that kids who DO stay home all day and work on football drills under the guise of being "home schooled" (see the example I posted above) should not get to skate by the academic standards the kids who attend school are held to.
They are held to academic standards. You gave an example of one kid with very bad parents who sold him out. Maybe there are more, I don't know. Kids who are home-schooled are tested, in some school districts they come into class and take tests along with everyone else. I'm not sure why you are so vehemently set against it and nothing you've posted explains it.
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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You know, it's quite conceivable for a high school teacher to also fluff their student's performance in order to allow them to compete in athletics, too. I'm not sure why you're hung up on this notion that any significant portion of homeschooling parents are going to lie and cheat in order to get their kids into sports.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Rosaria posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Rosaria posted:
That's a completely false argument. Who says kids stay home all day and work on football drills?
I am not saying that kids stay home all day and work on football drills. I am saying that kids who DO stay home all day and work on football drills under the guise of being "home schooled" (see the example I posted above) should not get to skate by the academic standards the kids who attend school are held to.
They are held to academic standards. You gave an example of one kid with very bad parents who sold him out. Maybe there are more, I don't know. Kids who are home-schooled are tested, in some school districts they come into class and take tests along with everyone else. I'm not sure why you are so vehemently set against it and nothing you've posted explains it.
From a few posts back
Ashmaele posted:
Again, I will reiterate: I am not necessarily against allowing home schooled kids the ability to play public school sports. What I am against is giving home schooled kids preferential treatment with regard to public school sports. I am not sure I made that clear in previous posts but that is my position. And it certainly does appear as though the law Bonzo referred to does that to some extent.
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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Registered: 2003-8-22 10:07:30
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theredkay1 posted:
Rosaria posted:
Ashmaele posted:
But given the current status quo, it seems unfair to setup a two-tiered system where some kids get to stay home and work on football drills all day and other kids have to actually attend class and perform their classwork to maintain standing/eligbility to play.
That's a completely false argument. Who says kids stay home all day and work on football drills?
It certainly seems possible.
If a small group of kids get to play group sports, thats great. But if the cost is another group of kids leaving school to focus on sports...is it worth it?
I think responsibility for policing this falls on the coaches. If they have a kid who has potential, its up to the coach to make sure the kid knows his next step in sports will rely on meeting some academic requirements.
Ash has a legitimate concern but my guess is the number of kids who do that will be very, very small.
It also seems possible that entire school districts are graduating students who are functionally illiterate. Home schooled kids have to pass state standards for academics, you do know that, right?
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Again, I will reiterate: I am not necessarily against denying home schooled kids the ability to play public school sports. What I am against is giving home schooled kids preferential treatment with regard to public school sports. I am not sure I made that clear in previous posts but that is my position. And it certainly does appear as though the law Bonzo referred to does that to some extent.
If you consider being free of all the test of public school kids then homeschooling in general has a lot less requirements that can be considered special treatment. It is a measure that makes no sense because the nature of trying to have the government teach thousands of kids is significantly different than a parent teaching their child.
I ninja edited a typo in the post you quoted, "denying" should have read "allowing," sorry for the confusion!
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