The majority of people in the US volunteered it. The majority can pull it back.


thats how the country works nancy

You see... that's the real point that's been made here 1,000 times. All these government handouts, subsidies, government picking winners, and crony capitalism with public funding should be ended.

Thus ending this kind of idiotic argument, above, from people like yourself.

 

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incorrect as usual

 

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I like that EIC/foodstamps/disability/school assistance/housing assistance/grants etc = no dole to Yuki. It doesn't matter how many times you point it out either.

 

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Food stamps are the only entitlement on your list. If you want to consider any money anyone gets from the gubmint as welfare you can do that but I'm not sure how useful a definition that is.


Most of what you are calling "welfare" are programs that subsidize low income wage earners, i.e. people who are working. EITC is a big example of this. A welfare queen of the old style would get 0 in EITC.

On another board one of the regulars efiled his taxes the second he got his W-2 and got his return direct deposited and went out and bought a 60" tv and said he never would have been able to afford it without the EIC. I know everyone has heard stories like this but it is crazy that welfare is used to buy luxury items.

 

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Welfare is a tiny problem in the USA these days. Less than 1% of the working age population receives it at all, and the average monthly benefit is under 100 dollars per recipient. It costs taxpayers less each year than it cost to wage that stupid war in Iraq for a month.

Food Stamps are a big deal and cost a lot of money, but they also keep millions of people from starving. Literally. The problem isn't the program, the problem is that wages are so low that people who work full time can't afford to fucking eat. Bitching about the cost of keeping them alive is not only disgusting, it's pointless and stupid....as food stamps actually keep many stores in business and avoid having millions more people out of work and costing much more in UI and other types of aid. Yes, even the cost of burying them would be more than keeping food on their tables. Fix the problem not the symptom.

UI costs a lot, but it's a necessary safety net that any capitalistic society requires. Without it, the problems created would dwarf any possible cost that maintaining it ever will. Again, deal with the problem (Need for decent paying jobs), not the symptom.

Assistance programs are easy targets for mouth breathers. They can throw out words like lazy, cheater, and parasite and feel all superior and righteous. In reality, the vast majority of people who are on any of these programs use them briefly....then get back on their feet. Railing against the tiny amount of people who successfully game the system is an exercise is pointlessness. Bitch about something that actually costs money, like the nearly one trillion we spend each year on "security", or the 400 billion we give away in corporate welfare to companies that make multi-billion dollar profits, or the nearly 100 billion we lose to companies that cheat medicare, ect, ect, ect....

I have no problems giving a safety net to people who really need it but draw the line at people who abuse the system.

 

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Draw the line all you want. I can't imagine anyone approves of cheaters, but again....it's a tiny, tiny percentage of the people who ever use any of these programs that cheat. So bitching about the programs themselves is stupid. Scream for bigger penalties and tougher enforcement if you actually want to fix the problem.

Oh, as for EITC...as I've said countless times before...it's a load of crap and should be eliminated immediately. Doing so would save hundreds of billions a year, and wouldn't adversely affect anyone except except the first quarter profits of discount and electronics stores. Walmart would end up laying off a couple of hundred thousand people for a month or two though.

Ptilk proves once again that you can say anything you want at any time regardless of accuracy.

I don't see how federal low income housing assistance is not welfare though. It's a payout of cash based on need. Scarecrows are always the best, but completely redefining words based on them seems a little outrageous to me.

 

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