You conveniently leave out food stamps... section 8...

 

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Section 8 isn't an entitlement.

Food stamps are, you're right. The vast majority of people getting food stamps work, though. Food stamps don't let you be a career welfare bum. For the vast majority of recipients food stamps are exactly the "helping hand, not a career" Tenkly is talking about.

I would like to see a serious effort made to curtail the welfare fraud, people should not be able to work under the table and get welfare nor should unmarried women with kids be able to claim absent partner when they are really living with them. The problem is that right now fraud is rarely investigated.

 

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This is true and I agree with it completely. The issue with welfare now is not the basic design but fraud on the system.

The worst form of welfare is disability. Maybe that's because I'm exposed to it a lot. But that has to be the most damning form of welfare. It isn't "oh I'm a bit banged up and need some temporary help." It's "I'm useless to the workforce like tits on a boar FOREVER, I will NEVER get better, and I have this signed letter from an MD to prove it!"

The vast majority of disability claims are pure bs... Yeah sure, you got low back pain or you have anxiety. So do the rest of us. Deal with it or at least be more honest about your attempts to mooch off the system.

The weird thing is, most of the people who actually do have a medically legit claim at disability, want a doctor's note to prove they CAN work.

 

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My brother is on permanent diability and so is his girlfriend. They feel no urge to work at all. She is super smart and college educated and could do a part time office type job and he is pretty fit and could do a more manual job part time but neither of them want to work

Also they both walk a couple of miles every so often for exercise yet they both use disabled parking permits and take advantage of that.

They both also live in apartment complexes much nicer than mine and they pay nothing to live there. Its all paid by the government.

Once on disability unless you are kicked off it mean you are on it for life. There is very little incentive to get off of it. My brother doesnt want to work and support himself. If he did he would start to work part time.

 

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UI scams and <cough> what qualifies as disability <cough> in our pussified society are what I hear about daily. As discussed before, my wife works in benefits management with scores of companies. She sees this virtually every day. She has new stories and examples of the idiocy... virtually every day.

 

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over here you have to go to the welfare office once per week and you have to apply for at least 5 jobs or something. if you dont do that you lose your welfare payment for the next 4 weeks. Also depending on your age and how long you have been unemployed you have to work for the dole to. cleaning up freeways and parks etc


or if you are part abbo you just get money and a house to stay out of the way of white people


the system still gets gamed though but we have relatively low unemployement here


its about having a safety net and not a hammock.

 

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it should be temporary and I believe passing drug tests before approval and random tests during would be a good way to go about it. Maybe even some sort of home visit.

 

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I remembered you saying your brother's apartment was much nicer than yours and all of his living expenses are paid for for life. I don't get it.

 

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