The people who abuse the system cause more damage than they know, people hear of the abuses and see nothing is being done, then the belief spreads among many that the whole program is a waste of money. It is much better for all concerned if the abuse is stopped.

 

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Yuki's definition of welfare is taking something from the government and never ever working, or trying to work at all ever.

he uses this definition because he thinks conservatives are stupid about most things and definitely welfare.

He thinks this is a conservative definition.

Yeah think about that for a second.

 

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Sort of. It's not an entitlement. In most places less than 30% of qualifying people actually get it. And most of the people who get it do work, although they may not work too much.

That seems to be what people generally rant about about welfare. People who just sit around on their asses and collect cash for it.


There isn't typically nearly as much hate (except maybe from you) for minimum wage earners then collecting payments on top of it to make it a living wage.

I don't hate welfare. I hate liars.

I was actually talking today with my buds about a society where every need is paid for by the gov't. I am not tied to any one philosophy about gov't, entitlements, pay, capital, labor or anything else. but pretty universally liberals are wrong factually about how they perceive gov't welfare programs. I don't really care about that much, except for the way it informs their philosophies. Believing you can have enough programs to provide a poor person a decent life and that also poor people would rather work than take that money is not a logical view, and it is born out that it is not a logical view by lots of evidence. Even with the massive obfuscations like EIC, huge child tax credits, etc it is still evident that when given the choice of a similar lifestyle most people will gladly take a check from the gov't to do less work.

You have fairly pointed out that there is disinformation and lack of understanding prevalent on the right. What you fail to grasp is that it exists equally on the left. Only on the right it exists among the unwashed. On the left it exists among the "erudite."

At the end of the day it isn't about cost in tax dollars it is about cost in competitiveness. it is about cost in human waste. Freedom exists proportionally to opportunity at nearly all income levels we would consider middle class and below. And in MANY ways you make your own of both. What's the point of living in a great nation with great opportunity and great philosophies if situations will give you an incentive to not achieve?

Most of our problems are problems of opportunity. more welfare is gasoline on that fire.

 

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I agree that disability needs a huge overhaul in this country. Someone at work told me a child can get a disability check if they have ADD. I have also worked with clients who want to work and could find employment suitable to their situation, but they don't want to lose the healthcare that comes with SSI.

 

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Bullshite.

Again I point to Disability, Worker's comp.

The very fact that SO MANY get away with it -- and conversely so many people who legitimately NEED it have to jump through 2-4 years of hoops and spend $'s on lawyers -- is something I lay squarely on the large government supporters of both parties.

 

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Incorrect. You have given your consent to pay taxes by virtue of citizenry. You can always reject that and move to a country that doesn't require you to pay. Your freedom is intact.

 

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I largely agree. But that point is rarely made here. Ending subsidies for others is mentioned all the time....ending subsidies for me is rarely mentioned....most even like to argue their subsides arent really handouts.