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_Enkidu_  Title: Zen Badger
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Registered: 2001-12-24 05:02:15
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People who pray must think god sucks... |
Groucho48 posted:
Here's how I look at things. Marcus Aurelius...
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
That's blasphemy! 
You can't have any morals without religion! It's unpossible! 
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Sin_of_Onin  Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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_Enkidu_ posted:
That's blasphemy!
You can't have any morals without religion! It's unpossible!
Actually the Bible specifically talks about people that were not Christian and Jewish having morality. This came about when early Christians started converting Greeks who asked about their ancestors.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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_Enkidu_ posted:
That's blasphemy!
You can't have any morals without religion! It's unpossible!
Nobody has ever said that. The point isn't that religion is required for morality, but that moral judgments require faith in certain unprovable assumptions about the state of the world. Whether you look to religion or philosophy or something else for those assumptions doesn't really matter but you have to get them somewhere and they can't be derived through the scientific method.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger
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Clearly you fail at both science and philosophy. Anything you can learn you can learn better using science. Go back and read up on epistemology, which you'll find in philosophy where it talks about the ways of knowing, including science.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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_Enkidu_ posted:
Clearly you fail at both science and philosophy. Anything you can learn you can learn better using science. Go back and read up on epistemology, which you'll find in philosophy where it talks about the ways of knowing, including science.
And both say you can't know what is morally right or wrong.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Every time we have one of these conversations my opinion of Enkidu's intelligence goes down considerably.
Science can't tell you what "good" is as an abstract quality. Once you decide what "good" is science is very useful for telling what you can do practically to produce "good" results.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger
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Again, this is where you both fail at philosophy and science. The main problem is that you don't know science or philosophy, if you did you'd know that both deal with these questions all the time.
So talking to you about it is pointless, since you can't be bothered to educate yourselves even after I posted up a primer on epistemology. You are sticking with your "I feel this way" argument and it's incredibly silly. If you just go with how you feel about a topic and never try and understand what it really means you get stuck in the stone age.
Don't worry tho, some other people like living in their caves, so you won't be lonely.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Your epsitimology post was fine as far as it went but you continue to demonstrate that you have no understanding of what you're talking about and are basically religious yourself.
Every time I ask you to describe an experiment that will provide an objectively verifiable definition of what "good" is you ignore the question. Why is that?
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Moe_Nox Title: In Moe We Trust
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
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Pulls up his own thread a day later to continue hating on something? We get it dude, religion makes you cry. Go get laid or something to feel better.
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Taliesihne Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
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Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
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The lack of deity in Buddhism is a contentious sticking point, as usually a deity is a required for a religion.
Some Buddhists call it a religion, others a philosophy.
Either way it's not Pagan as the word is used in common context.
Pagans are dirt worshipping, orgy having free spirits. Like me. 
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