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IMHO posted:
I love it when Sweeny calls some one a tard... 
I'm sure the irony is lost on him.
i completely understand and encourage the perception you all have of me here.
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Rosaria  Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
youre the one who said the use prayer wheels and flags....
i love it when you tards cant even keep your own arguments straight
They do, they use both, I have used both. They do not pray to a god, there is no god, there is no heaven or hell, there is no divine retribution, there is no fear of a godlike wrath, there is no one to intervene for you when you die, there is no one to guide to you an afterlife, you will not be rewarded in a heaven because there is none, you will not be punished in hell because it does not exist, there is only this life as we know it, you can choose to be conscious and be harmonious with yourself and all sentient beings or you can choose to be ignorant, something you seem very comfortable with.
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
IMHO posted:
I love it when Sweeny calls some one a tard...
I'm sure the irony is lost on him.
i completely understand and encourage the perception you all have of me here.
Ah good, then you really are as stupid as we think you are.
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Date Posted:
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Rosaria posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
youre the one who said the use prayer wheels and flags....
i love it when you tards cant even keep your own arguments straight
They do, they use both, I have used both. They do not pray to a god, there is no god, there is no heaven or hell, there is no divine retribution, there is no fear of a godlike wrath, there is no one to intervene for you when you die, there is no one to guide to you an afterlife, you will not be rewarded in a heaven because there is none, you will not be punished in hell because it does not exist, there is only this life as we know it, you can choose to be conscious and be harmonious with yourself and all sentient beings or you can choose to be ignorant, something you seem very comfortable with.
you keep trying to equate things to a christian perspective.
like i told you earlier, they arent even close to christian.
its ok though, i dont expect a newage hippy wana-be, like you, to grasp anything beyond what your yoga instructor tells you
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
@Rosie --
Firstly, I understand and agree Buddhism is not 'polytheistic'. In any definition. Despite the issues of translating words like Deva into English which can kindof end up with an incorrect translation as 'a god'.
I secondly agree and know Buddhists don't precisely pray to a god. Nor do they pray to those who are still trapped in the cycle but have achieved higher states of consciousness, although they study their examples for guidance.
I thirdly assert Buddhists in most traditions don't believe in praying TO any entity for 'salvation' in any way... but rather 'find the path and truth for oneself.'
However. In Theravada Buddhism at least, it has been explained to me that the Buddha did not specifically exclude the possibility that there is a god. However, it is generally viewed that if there IS such a thing or concept in any way, it falls in line with the many limits I gave above. It is not a Christian god, in any real sense.
Theravada Buddhism does not exclude the possibility of a god, but his or her existence is unimportant. If god existed he would be another sentient being, nothing more, nothing less. There is no creation, no all powerful, nothing to pray to, no bestower of favors, no source of punishment. It simply is not an important question enough to pursue.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius  Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Rosaria posted:
Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
@Rosie --
Firstly, I understand and agree Buddhism is not 'polytheistic'. In any definition. Despite the issues of translating words like Deva into English which can kindof end up with an incorrect translation as 'a god'.
I secondly agree and know Buddhists don't precisely pray to a god. Nor do they pray to those who are still trapped in the cycle but have achieved higher states of consciousness, although they study their examples for guidance.
I thirdly assert Buddhists in most traditions don't believe in praying TO any entity for 'salvation' in any way... but rather 'find the path and truth for oneself.'
However. In Theravada Buddhism at least, it has been explained to me that the Buddha did not specifically exclude the possibility that there is a god. However, it is generally viewed that if there IS such a thing or concept in any way, it falls in line with the many limits I gave above. It is not a Christian god, in any real sense.
Theravada Buddhism does not exclude the possibility of a god, but his or her existence is unimportant. If god existed he would be another sentient being, nothing more, nothing less. There is no creation, no all powerful, nothing to pray to, no bestower of favors, no source of punishment. It simply is not an important question enough to pursue.
EDIT -- actually, I did find a disagreement there, so I've retracted the previous statement. "entity" versus "state" versus "force" are tripping us up. Not conducive to do this in a discussion forum thread. It would take a bit to get that straightened out.
It's... complicated to put such meaningful thoughts into the pitiful thing that is human language. And then cross-translate between two languages across 2000 years.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Rosaria posted:
There are no entities that buddhists pray to.
This is clearly an unequivocally wrong as a general statement. In fact, the majority of buddhists in the world probably do pray to gods or spirits or whatever you want to call them. Only a very small percentage to buddhists throughout history have practiced a form of buddhism that had no place for gods or spirits.
Buddhism is like any other religion. It started in a very pure form that was probably not really a religion at all. But like all successful religions within a few generations people were back to worshipping saints/spirits/devils like people are wont to do the world over.
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Rosaria posted:
There are no entities that buddhists pray to.
This is clearly an unequivocally wrong as a general statement. In fact, the majority of buddhists in the world probably do pray to gods or spirits or whatever you want to call them. Only a very small percentage to buddhists throughout history have practiced a form of buddhism that had no place for gods or spirits.
Buddhism is like any other religion. It started in a very pure form that was probably not really a religion at all. But like all successful religions within a few generations people were back to worshipping saints/spirits/devils like people are wont to do the world over.
They do not pray to spirits. Spirits if they exist are inferior to human beings and human beings are considered to be an idealized form of existence. If you believe Buddhists pray to spirits you will have to show me documentation for it, because in all the research I've done I've never seen it stated.
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Rosaria Title: They call me Mellow Yellow, quite rightly.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
There you go. No disagreement on that. As far as it goes.
It's... complicated to put such meaningful thoughts into the pitiful thing that is human language. And then cross-translate between two languages across 2000 years.
I can recommend a good book to you: A Simple Path by The Dalai Lama, published by Thorsons. You mentioned the Four Noble Truths earlier, and those are the core of his book.
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
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sweeny_comodore posted:
but their silky smoothness feels soo goood....
I know.. 
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