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reesescups  Title: //Captain America
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Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
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People who pray must think god sucks... |
Yukishiro1 posted:
So basically in this case "science" just means "talking with other people and listening to what they have to say then taking a vote"?
Great story I guess. Although I don't think it really proves what you think it proves because there's certainly nothing objectively verifiable about it. It's just an opinion survey of open-minded people. There is no "data" to speak of except for opinions.
That's not how science works...
Is that what iKidU is trying to say?
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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_Enkidu_ posted:
Opinions don't exist in a vacuum, they come from things people have learned, and that's the point. How you learn things is directly related to thier validity. If you get information from untested or biased sources, so is your opinion. If you learn from tested and unbiased sources, your opinion has more validity.
So it comes down to you deciding how you want to live your life. Do you want to go with uncertain knowledge or the most certain knowledge you can find?
Why is knowledge more certain because other people think it too?
The whole point is that when it comes to morality everyon'e opinion is untested and based on what they feel. All you are saying is that it's better to listen to other people's opinions before making up your mind. Which is true. But hardly scientific in any meaningful sense of the word.
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The problem seems to be that Enkidu has painted himself into a corner he can't even recognize and will ever vehemently deny.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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_Enkidu_ posted:
Opinions don't exist in a vacuum, they come from things people have learned, and that's the point. How you learn things is directly related to thier validity. If you get information from untested or biased sources, so is your opinion. If you learn from tested and unbiased sources, your opinion has more validity.
So it comes down to you deciding how you want to live your life. Do you want to go with uncertain knowledge or the most certain knowledge you can find?
I tell my students to challenge everything they believe by examining the source that formed that belief. It's a good rule of thumb for everyone. Way too much of what people know was gained through very weak sources when much better ones were always there, but they just didn't know it.
I have to go feed the wifeâ„¢ now, so I won't be following up until tomorrow.
The problem is that you are not testing your assumption but how your decisions meet your assumption. A fine thing to do but it doesn't prove your assumption.
From the begining we have been trying to point this out to you.
Your response has been a string of stupidity and bigotry.
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NuEM Posts: 1,007
Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
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Enkidu is kind of right. It's funny to see the rest of you squirm at the thought. 
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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Everyone who believes in monotheism not only has beliefs at odds with everyone else in the world that doesn't, but also 75 percent of the other people who believe in monotheism. Believing in god isn't really about being confident in your belief in god. There isn't that much difference between hoping and praying.
A lot of times in these threads I get the feeling that evangelical atheists aren't really railing against god but humanity.
Human frailty exists. Weakness exists. But so does really shitty things happening to strong people. imagining that god uncharacteristically will decide to cure your ten year old's cancer seems like just as fine a position as hoping against hope that your son will be in the one percent that beat it with X treatment.
Life is hard. Sometimes it beats you. Sometimes it almost does. Feeling superior to others when they are on the ropes or coping in a way you don't agree with seems like a pretty douchey move to me.
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_Enkidu_  Title: Zen Badger
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Registered: 2001-12-24 05:02:15
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[quote=Yukishiro1}
Why is knowledge more certain because other people think it too?
It's not just the number of people, it's the number of people who have tested or verified the testing that matters.
Here's an example: Say you wanted to know how far it was to the corner store. You could go out and measure it with a tape measure marking every 8ft and report that number. Other people in your neighborhood see that report and test it for themselves using various methods, but each finds a slightly different number, except for one guy who claims god told him the number and it was 43. Now everyone would get togehter and look at how each of you measured and critique each other's method and detemine the best way to measure the distance. The new method, a big ball of string, is then used by everyone and they all get nearly the same number, except for the god guy who still thinks it's 43. All the folks using science not only found the best answer for the distance question, they also found the best way to measure that distance.
Of course, you could still go with 43, but that wouldn't really be all that smart, would it?
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Date Posted:
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everyone knows the answer is 42. not 43
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