Manegarm posted:

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I always use a condom and I only have sex with women whom I have know for months or years, I do not do one night stands, casual sex sucks.. Good sex derives from intimacy and knowing your partner.

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Snarf_Igraine posted:

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You don't get it, dur dur. There are existing laws on the books that state if you murder a pregnant woman you are guilty of killing two people. It is hypocritical to have this law on the books and allow abortion in the 2nd or third trimester.

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Snarf_Igraine posted:

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In addition, your "masturbation" argument is stupid and uneducated. You don't even know the difference between a haploid cell (eggs or sperm cells for example) and the zygocyte which is the cell that is the fusion of these two haploids. It is only this new, distinctive, and special cell that is the foundation of what becomes a person and the universe will never see this exact same cell again...this is why this particular cell is considered by many to be worthy of protecting. So you can stop with the retarded, masturbation is murder nonsense. This is not a new argument, Hippocrates and the Pythagoreans both believed that this zygocyte conception stage is when the soul entered. Hinduism also teaches this.

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Snarf_Igraine posted:

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However, I would disagree the zygocyte aka zygote is a person, but it is true that it is special as a potential person. Zygotes and even embryos get naturally aborted ALL the time, about 50% of the time actually because of chromosomal abnormalities or errors. Some believe that personhood occurs after implantation of the embryo into the uterus. Others think that the initial fertilization to implantation is not true because the embryo can split into twins, triplets, etc around day 3-14 after fertilization, some argue that an early embryo cannot be a person because if every person is an individual, one cannot be divided from oneself. Some scientists will not work on an embryo experimental purposes after the neural groove has formed. This occurs around day 23. Brain waves are first detected at day 53 post ovulation. St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine of Hippo believed that the soul entered in around day 40 post conception, which is pretty close to when brain activity starts.. just something to think about, but it is not as clear cut as you might think. I am pro-life and I am for contraception, the day after pill, PLAN B, and elective abortion up to a month post fertilization. This is based on the scientific fact that brain activity starts around day 53. It is this brain activity that represents the formation of what makes us a person....

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Manny one day one of those women will decide its time to have a kid, will stop taking the pill, and get you to not use a condom for the night.
9 months later little Manny will pop out, you will be dad, and the courts will force you to pay half your earnings for the next 18 years.

As far as testing for paternity, why not? How is this process more traumatic physically or emotionally for a woman than the actual abortion procedure?
You pro choicers want to give full rights to the woman but have trouble justifying it.

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eodoll posted:

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It's just a two faced legal line to say murdering a pregnant woman is a double homicide (killed 2 serpate people) but a woman aborting her fetus counts as non-murder.. however if she kills the baby after it's born it counts as murder.

That's a two faced policy.

I'm all for truth - killing a pregnant woman needs to count as homicide (not double homicide) - otherwise our laws are two faced and BS.

Furthermore, the man has a right to the baby - I dont give a crap whose body it is.

Let's go into the line of surrogate's - if a woman is a surrogate and aborts by her own will then she is open to litigation. Whose body is it then?

We have all kinds of stupid laws and policies here and that's why people can't get over the abortion question.

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