reading comprehension at its finest
were you home schooled?

 

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Abso-friggin-lutely. Men have registered their nuts at the door on this issue, mostly.

 

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The male can't be pregnant, until he can he's not entitled to any legal right in this issue and he's not entitled to any legal power over her body or the life that grows in it. If it's even his child.. How are you going to prove which male is the father? Are you goin to start forcing women to undergo tests of parentage? That if anything is a gross violation of personal integrity and any number of fundamental human rights and it's unethical, rethink your idiocy.

It took two humans to make it but only one to carry it full term to completion, it does not in any way require a male after conception he shares none of the pain and danger that comes with childbirth he's entitled to nothing.

The law states 8 weeks here, I'm okay with that.

 

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That is because your only role and responsibility is to empty said nuts.. Then you're done.. Live with it or move to saudi-arabia.

 

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Quoting the law is irrelevant as laws can be changed, and they have in the past. Thats the entire point of any discussion is to find what the best policy is.
Before Roe vs Wade the pregnancy rights were too hard against women. They swung the other way, and now they are too hard against the man.

If you deprive the man of any decision over a pregnancy than you have to exempt him from any obligation concerning it.
Manegarm, with everything you post about your love life, you are gonna get severely burnt one day and your own positions are gonna screw you hard.

 

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I am a pro lifer but when I hear a guy like Santorum talk I realize that we really should be afraid of the government having such power.

The Pro Life side should just suck it up and realize that government isn't going to make their argument for them. That they have to actually stop abortions by changing people's minds.

 

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If it is good enough for Moses, it should be good enough for any baby.

 

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You don't get it, dur dur. There are existing laws on the books that state if you murder a pregnant woman you are guilty of killing two people. It is hypocritical to have this law on the books and allow abortion in the 2nd or third trimester.

In addition, your "masturbation" argument is stupid and uneducated. You don't even know the difference between a haploid cell (eggs or sperm cells for example) and the zygocyte which is the cell that is the fusion of these two haploids. It is only this new, distinctive, and special cell that is the foundation of what becomes a person and the universe will never see this exact same cell again...this is why this particular cell is considered by many to be worthy of protecting. So you can stop with the retarded, masturbation is murder nonsense. This is not a new argument, Hippocrates and the Pythagoreans both believed that this zygocyte conception stage is when the soul entered. Hinduism also teaches this.

However, I would disagree the zygocyte aka zygote is a person, but it is true that it is special as a potential person. Zygotes and even embryos get naturally aborted ALL the time, about 50% of the time actually because of chromosomal abnormalities or errors. Some believe that personhood occurs after implantation of the embryo into the uterus. Others think that the initial fertilization to implantation is not true because the embryo can split into twins, triplets, etc around day 3-14 after fertilization, some argue that an early embryo cannot be a person because if every person is an individual, one cannot be divided from oneself. Some scientists will not work on an embryo experimental purposes after the neural groove has formed. This occurs around day 23. Brain waves are first detected at day 53 post ovulation. St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine of Hippo believed that the soul entered in around day 40 post conception, which is pretty close to when brain activity starts.. just something to think about, but it is not as clear cut as you might think. I am pro-life and I am for contraception, the day after pill, PLAN B, and elective abortion up to a month post fertilization. This is based on the scientific fact that brain activity starts around day 53. It is this brain activity that represents the formation of what makes us a person....

SoO I agree with that completely. Its a battle of morals and minds, not courtrooms and laws.

 

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Your responsibly comes after the child is born until you grow a uterus of your own that's just the way things is or are you going to force women to tests of parentage to determine who the father is? It's the only way to discern who has the legal right to the fetus besides the mother.

You conservatives are always so small government, less regulation prone.. Until it comes to actual freedoms that limits your right to impose your values on people.. Then it becomes a f'kin problem.

I always use a condom and I only have sex with women whom I have know for months or years, I do not do one night stands, casual sex sucks.. Good sex derives from intimacy and knowing your partner.

 

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