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Snarf_Igraine  2 stars
Posts: 258
Registered: 2003-12-13 14:36:34
You apparently didnt read the NEJM's reviews of those books, the reviewers from the NEJM used it many times. No matter here is some source material from medline/pubmed, all medical and science journals.

Material translations in the Cartesian brain. Stud Hist Philos Biol Biomed Sci. 2012 Mar;43(1):244-55. Epub 2011 Nov 29.

From the abstract: "This article reconsiders the theoretical obligations placed on the pineal gland as the site of the soul-body union, and looks at how the gland was consequently forced to adopt a very precarious ontological status."

Left atrial function predicts heart failure hospitalization in subjects with preserved ejection fraction and coronary heart disease longitudinal data from the heart and soul study. J Am Coll Cardiol. 2012 Feb 14;59(7):673-80

The price of your soul: neural evidence for the non-utilitarian representation of sacred value
s. Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci. 2012 Mar 5;367(1589):754-62.

etc etc

Science can not comment on qualia, it can't comment on counter-factuals, it can't comment on positive claims (what should happen), it can't comment on aesthetic claims, science can't comment on fictional worlds, science can't comment on empirically identical claims, etc.

Whether you want to admit or not, you love philosophy, because all the fun, beautiful, wonderful, and important things are only answered this way. You seek to live life to the fullest manny, I choose to do it a different way and I have a lot of fun and satisfaction.
Manegarm  4 stars
Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
Posts: 1,964
Registered: 2003-8-11 10:01:52
Snarf_Igraine posted:

You apparently didnt read the NEJM's reviews of those books, the reviewers from the NEJM used it many times. No matter here is some source material from medline/pubmed, all medical and science journals.

Material translations in the Cartesian brain. Stud Hist Philos Biol Biomed Sci. 2012 Mar;43(1):244-55. Epub 2011 Nov 29.

From the abstract: "This article reconsiders the theoretical obligations placed on the pineal gland as the site of the soul-body union, and looks at how the gland was consequently forced to adopt a very precarious ontological status."

Left atrial function predicts heart failure hospitalization in subjects with preserved ejection fraction and coronary heart disease longitudinal data from the heart and soul study. J Am Coll Cardiol. 2012 Feb 14;59(7):673-80

The price of your soul: neural evidence for the non-utilitarian representation of sacred value
s. Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci. 2012 Mar 5;367(1589):754-62.

etc etc

Science can not comment on qualia, it can't comment on counter-factuals, it can't comment on positive claims (what should happen), it can't comment on aesthetic claims, science can't comment on fictional worlds, science can't comment on empirically identical claims, etc.

Whether you want to admit or not, you love philosophy, because all the fun, beautiful, wonderful, and important things are only answered this way. You seek to live life to the fullest manny, I choose to do it a different way and I have a lot of fun and satisfaction.



I just came back from a 3 mile run and I'm frankly to tired to really go on.

I get what you are saying.. Still you mention 7 things science can't comment on, yet! -that may very well change within the next 1000 years or the next 5. The bible is still not going to evolve it will still be the same book no matter how you twist it, it's static and won't evolve.. Exactly like religion or rather when religion evolves there's usually a schism followed by a few million fatalities.

I do not need answers for anything, the only philosophy I have in life is socialism and democracy nothing else really matters.. I'm slowly on my way to what you have, family and kids it's a goal we share. Priorities shift, my current lifestyle bores me that is why I'm heading back to college in the fall if they will have me, and I'd very much enjoy a monogamous loving relationship I'm however incredibly picky.

Either way Snarfie sleep well I'm heading off to work in a bit.. Always fun to have a prolonged entrenched argument with you, and you've read a lot of stuff that I have no clue what so ever about which is always refreshing, always fun to find new things to read about.

 

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Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
Posts: 1,266
Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
Manegarm posted:

I am clearly out of my league. This fight is lost so i will use the old, "just did a lot of exercise/had sex with hot super model wife/did a long shift at work and now I'm too exhausted to continue getting my ass whooped on the internet" excuse. But hey, we cool, dude who pwned me? You don't need to gloat over this, you didn't really win, you see, i have to go off and do sleep/work another long onerous shift/real life tasks.



Damn dude... damn.

 

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Taliesihne  4 stars
Title: Wind on the Deep Waters
Posts: 1,117
Registered: 2004-2-19 04:47:59
It's been a month, I guess it's time for another abortion debate.

I'm not going to argue about this and only going to say it once: despite how I personally feel about abortion and despite my own personal experiences with it, I do not feel either qualifies me to sit in a place of judgement and make that determination for someone else.

It's an intensely personal and agonizing decision that I have no business stepping into unless it's my progeny we are talking about. And even then, ultimately it comes down to what the woman involved wants.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50


Small gubmint conservatism tho

 

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Tych2  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
Groucho48 posted:

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If men were the ones carrying the little parasites around for nine months, abortion would be legal, free and clear. No questions asked.



As a corollary, if altar boys could get pregnant, the Catholic Bishops would put birth control in the communion wafers.

 

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