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Ashmaele  4 stars
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cabbyman posted:

I think you are being intentionally naive about this.



One of us certainly is.

I've heard the 911 tapes. I've heard/read eyewitness accounts. I've read Zimmerman's version of events. And I've read where the lead investigator in the case didn't buy Zimmerman's story and wanted him charged.

I have also read a summary of the (literally) dozens of 911 calls this obviously paranoid wannabe cop Paul Blart made over the years, to wit:


Quote:

46. Feb. 26, 2012 – 7:20 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Repeats prior report


45. Feb. 26, 2012 (night of Martin shooting) – 7:11 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Black male “late teens lsw dark gray hoodie jeans or sweatpants walking around area” … “subj now running towards back entrance of complex”


44. Feb. 2, 2012 – 8:29 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “BM lsw: black leather jacket, black hat, printed PJ pants, he keeps going going to this” location


43. Jan. 29, 2012 – 5:38 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Children “running and playing in the street”

42. Dec. 10, 2011 – 5:29 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “At the club house” … “Male subject [arrived on scene] that thought he was employed by” Zimmerman … “Subj is expected to get paid for serving food.” … Zimmerman “said that he didn’t wish him to serve at the [event]” … Zimmerman “hired someone else, subj sounded upset and wants to get paid”


41. Oct. 1, 2011 – 12:53 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Two black male suspects “20–30 YOA in [white] Chevy poss Impala at the gate of the community.” Zimmerman “does not recognize subjs or veh and is concerned due to recent” burglaries in the area


40. Sept. 23, 2011 – 11:08 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Neighbor/Suspicious activity
Report: Zimmerman reports “open garage door” … Describes “neighborhood watch mtg last night with Sgt Herx who [advised] to report anything [suspicious]” … Zimmerman “is part of neighborhood watch” and is concerned because of recent burglaries in the area


39. Aug. 6, 2011 – 10:20 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Two black males, one wearing a black tank top and black shorts, the second wearing a black t-shirt and jeans … “Subjs are in their teens”


38. Aug. 3, 2011 – 6:45 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Black male last seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts … Zimmerman “believes subject is involved in recent” burglaries in the neighborhood


37. May 27, 2011 – 9:18 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Alarm
Report: Zimmerman “has a self responding alarm that just notified him of” an alarm at this location


36. April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts


35. March 18, 2011 – 9:26 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Animals
Report: Zimmerman requested an officer meet him regarding a pit bull in his garage


34. Nov. 26, 2010 – 2:54 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Alarm
Report: Zimmerman was out of town and a motion alarm he monitors himself went off


33. Nov. 8, 2010 – 6:54 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Maintenance
Report: Zimmerman reports “trash in roadwy”


32. Oct. 2, 2010 – 1:55 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Zimmerman reports “blu jeep grand Cherokee female driver yelling at elderly passengers … windows are tinted” … “the veh was rocking back and forth and he could hear the female yelling”


31. June 26, 2010 – 11:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Loud party … approx 50 subjs & blocking the street”


30. June 12, 2010 – 11:13 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Subject “at the clubhouse & pool areas having a party”


29. April 28, 2010 – 9:02 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “White older model four-door Buick or Oldsmobile” obstructing road


28. Feb. 27, 2010 – 4:46 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “Residence w/a lot of [suspicious] activity” … “multiple vehs are constantly coming to the” location … “unk subs run out to the vehs and run back inside” … “the subjs are always outside w/the garage open” … “the subjs hang out towards the st all night//ongoing problem”


27. Jan. 12, 2010 – 10:25 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Open garage door … Zimmerman says “this is very unlike his neighbor” … “there is a lot of electronics in the resd and posb in the garage”


26. Jan. 1, 2010 – 4:34 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Zimmerman reports reckless driver in “purplish Ford Ranger single cab”

25. Nov. 3, 2009 – 5:04 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: White Ford F350 that was “cutting people off”


24. Nov. 21, 2009 – 2:26 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Unclear


23. Oct. 23, 2009 – 9:18 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Animals
Report: “Aggressive white and brown pitbull” sitting outside Zimmerman’s home


22. Sept. 22, 2009 – 6:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Yellow speed bike … was speeding and weaving in and out of traffic and doing wheelies”


21. Sept. 7, 2009 – 9:01 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Maintenance
Report: “Pot hole in the road” … “it is deep and can cause damage to vehicles”


20. Aug. 26, 2009 - 8:35 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “Gold Caprice … male driving with no headlights … speeding”


19. Aug. 21, 2009 – 6:57 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Conflict
Report: “Landlord is trying to take [Zimmerman’s] money for rent … and home in foreclosure”


18. June 16, 2009 – 3:50 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Persons in the pool area playing basketball, “jumpin over the fence going into pool area and trashin the bathroom”


17. June 10, 2009 – 1:55 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Alarm
Report: Fire alarm going off


16. May 4, 2009 – 4:07 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Reports a blue Audi A4


15. March 12, 2009 – 6:58 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Patrol
Report: Patrol request between March 13 and March 22


14. Jan. 5, 2009 – 10:53 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Alarm
Report: Fire alarm going off


13. Nov. 25, 2007 – 12:40 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Ex roommate is letting people that [Zimmerman] don’t like in the” house


12. Nov. 25, 2007 – 12:21 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: White male ex-roommate last seen wearing a red Florida State University shirt


11. Oct. 14, 2007 – 4:10 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Possible criminal mischief to the tire of Zimmerman’s black Dodge Durango


10. June 24, 2007 – 12:48 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “By the pool”, two Hispanic males and one white male with “slim jim”


9. Nov. 4, 2006 – 2:37 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: A call regarding a “late model red” Toyota pickup “driving around the neighborhood and apt complex for the past 5 min”


8. Sept. 23, 2005 – 7:03 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Zimmerman’s “little sister just call him from above” his address and advises “there was a” suspicious person “at the front door”


7. Sept. 21, 2005 – 9:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Animals
Report: Reports a stray dog


6. April 27, 2005 – 12:40 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Open garage door


5. March 17, 2005 – 7:21 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Maintenance
Report: Pothole “that is blocking the road”


4. Oct. 20, 2004 – 9:13 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Drunk pedestrian walking in the road


3. Aug. 20, 2004 – 11:33 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Reports an open garage door


2. Aug.12, 2004 – 10:03 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Repeats earlier report


1. Aug. 12, 2004 – 9:59 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Places a call reporting a male in a green Ford pickup



And again I will concede that, while anything is possible it just doesn't seem probable (or plausible) that Zimmerman's story of being attacked from behind is true, given the girlfriend's account of her conversation with Martin. In a split second Martin goes from "I'm gonna walk fast" (girlfriend advised him to run) away from Zimmerman to "**** it, I'm whooping this dood's ass!"

And I've read this thread where you repeatedly indicate that apparently you disagree with the lead investigator and agree with the shooter. And, hey, you're entitled to your opinion. Just please stop pretending that it's more than that.

ETA:


cabbyman posted:

Martin would still be alive if he didn't physically attack Zimmerman.



It would be really swell if you would stop typing this over and over as if it is a proven fact. THE-ONLY-PERSON-WHO-HAS-SAID-THIS-IS-ZIMMERMAN.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch guy. He is SUPPOSED to call the cops when he sees something out of the ordinary in his neighborhood. You'll notice those calls are over an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. If Martin had called the cops on Zimmerman he'd still be alive.

As for the second point all we have is Zimmerman's version of the story and some eyewitnesses that say they saw Martin on top beating the hell out of Zimmerman who was screaming for help. Other than that, you're right, we got nothing.

 

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Tych2  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
cabbyman posted:

Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch guy. He is SUPPOSED to call the cops when he sees something out of the ordinary in his neighborhood.

I am not supporting or condemning anyone here since I really don't know the story as well as some of you, but the point Cabby is making with this statement is correct. That was his job as neighborhood watch to call the cops.

If I wasn't so busy during tax season I would have paid a lot more attention to this incident. From what I do know though I don't know why the kid didn't just call the cops. I mean he had a cell phone and was able to call his girlfriend.

 

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Vydor  1 star
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Looks like they wanted to charge Zimmerman but didn't have enough evidence at the time. Evidently, from what I recall, they didn't have the girlfriends phone conversation, or testimony, which could provide valuable information leading to an arrest. All of the other evidence they had didn't give them enough grounds to proceed with.

I think this is the big issue that people had with this case all along, that the police dept didn't do a good enough job covering all the bases and closed the case out too quickly. Then it went viral and the whole racism think took hold and it became a circus.

But I can see where the DA's office is in a bind here, if they proceed with flimsy evidence too quickly and Zimmerman gets off, they are doing a disservice to the family.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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I want to point out that I am NOT against having a grand jury summoned for this. I think it SHOULD be investigated. If I was Trayvon's dad I'd be pissed as hell.

That said, from what I've read and heard (and I even listened to the entire 34 minutes of 911 calls that were posted on this) I don't see how Zimmerman is at fault here ASSUMING that he was attacked first.

Could he have played it better? Yup. Both of them could have.

Did he do anything illegal? Nope.

Is this why the "Stand you ground" law was put into effect? Yup. You should be able to defend yourself against great bodily harm or death.

 

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Grymlo  2 stars
Posts: 415
Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
Its not much but since we like to point out Zimmermans history lets point out Martins

The teen was suspended from school three times
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness


 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
Well! He got suspended from school, smoked weed, skipped school and was tardy, and had a screwdriver on him! Why don't we shoot every teenager in the country if that's the minimum criteria. He obviously had it coming.

 

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Kjarhall  3 stars
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Zimmerman sounds like the witchy old lady every neighborhood has, that calls the cops about little thing they don't like.

Seriously, you call 911 about most of the things on that list?

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Kjarhall posted:

Zimmerman sounds like the witchy old lady every neighborhood has, that calls the cops about little thing they don't like.

Seriously, you call 911 about most of the things on that list?



Doesn't really matter what I would do but he sounds like a pretty conscientious neighborhood watch guy.

 

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cabbyman posted:

You want so bad for this to be some guy wantonly shooting an innocent black kid.



The media wants it too. The media has had a ratings orgy over this killing, and has done everything they can to raise outrage. It's repulsive, especially in how effective it has been. This thread is evidence of that.

 

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