My only problem with this law that lets you shoot if you feel threatened is that you can't get the other side of the story - cause one side is dead.


However, does this really require deadly force? A grown man can't get a kid off him?


"George Zimmerman told police he shot Trayvon Martin after the teenager decked him with a single punch, repeatedly smashed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, according to new reports Monday."

"At least one witness corroborated his story, telling cops he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, punching him."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-reportedly-told-police-shot-trayvon-martin-teen-punched-article-1.1051015

 

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Does it make any difference that he antagonized the kid? Followed him and "harassed" him?


Just curious. I know the 911 operator was telling him to stop following the kid so...

 

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If FL laws allow deadly force in this situation, with a corroborating witness, then there really isn't any controversy.

Now if the law sucks, then people in FL can vote to get it changed.

 

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How does what a 911 operator says have any weight on what someone does on private property that you are watching for others? If the HOA said don't follow that would mean something.

 

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Well no the HOA has no bearing in this in any way shape or form their statements on security are irrelevant. But you're right about the private property angle.


I only mentioned it because there were other parties involved.


For the record I don't think he did anything wrong once the kid got him on his back and was kicking the crap out of him.

 

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Legally no, even with that deranged law in Florida. If someone's slaps you across your face, you don't have the legal right to pull out your gun and shoot them. In order to use this defense, you have to be faced with equal and just as deadly force. Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles doesn't count.

Also, I wouldn't doubt that Zimmerman said something racial to the kid and he retaliated. We know, without doubt now, that Zimmerman made a racial slur on the 911 tape. So, I have little doubt he said something along those lines to Martin.

But that's pure speculation on my part.

Zimmerman murdered that child. There's no getting around that. And then he lied about the circumstances. There's not getting around that either.

 

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I don't see how the HOA weighs on this at all. If Zimmerman pursued Martin and initiated the encounter, then got his ass handed to him and escalated it, then it's at most a question of the use of appropriate force in self-defense, though more likely it's a case study in what happens when somebody with shit for brains has a CCP in a state where you're allowed to shoot pretty much anything that looks at you funny.

 

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I think that's the real flaw in this law. You only get one side of the story.

 

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the law was not written to allow pursuit... because then you are no longer defending you are provoking..


There was another incident where an older man was jumped had multiple facial fractures from his attack when he killed his attacker in self defense.


I dont understand why people keep saying the law allows this when what I have read says the law does not allow you to provoke... he followed the kid for no reason got out of his car and confronted him, that should mean the law does not apply, at least to me.

Would it be funny if it turns out Zimmerman is gay and Trayvon was the one doing the hate crime

 

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