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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Ardenwolfe posted:
Excuse me, but you know that eye witness testimonies usually make or break most court convictions, right?
Excuse me, but ACF is -------------------------------> way.
The door is calibrated to hit you in the ass on the way out. Or maybe that's just Sobaki tapping you on the ass.
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Ardenwolfe  Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
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So . . . you don't?
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DemonicXH  Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
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Ardenwolfe posted:
According to the police report, it did. In fact, the responding officer told the witness that he heard Zimmerman was screaming for help. The witness stated, "No, it was that kid."
That's around the time the police tried to cover their missteps. That's according to one witness. The other witness, the girlfriend who Martin was talking to over the phone, told his girlfriend, "There's some guy following me around." He then says to Zimmerman, "What do you want?"
The line goes dead after this. Luckily, the girlfriend saved this recording. You can find all this online.
Regardless, Zimmerman should've been arrested and held for trial. It's completely ridiculous this has yet to happen given that a murder took place.
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Florida law prohibits arresting a suspect who claims self defense, unless it has probable cause to show the force used was unlawful, and awards damages, repayment of lost income, court costs, attorneys fees if an arrest is made, and the suspect is later found immune to prosecution due to the self-defense statute.
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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This is true, if self-defense applies. In order for self-defense to apply, you must have a reasonable belief that your life is in immediate danger and that deadly force requires you to use said force. We know, that Zimmerman is over 100-pounds heavier than Martin.
Unless Martin was a ninja, which seems unlikely given the results, getting punched in the face by a 140-pound teenager doesn't require someone over 240-pounds to pull a gun and shoot.
We also know that the only 'weapons' Martin had was a drink and candy while Zimmerman had a gun. Finally, we know that Zimmerman, not Martin, followed the teenager against recommendations from the dispatcher, and placed himself in said situation.
It's silly to even argue self-defense in this case. Was there any chance that Martin was going to kill Zimmerman? It's a given that that was never going to happen.
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if someone pulls a gun on me, im dead anyways, so im going to fight back and try to take it away. i cant run away fast enough.
he might just have been fighting fro his life since someone he didnt know was pointing a gun at him.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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Uh if he was really on the ground getting repeatedly punched in the face you are going to have a hard time telling people he wasn't justified in shooting the kid. Assuming the kid started the physical fight.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Ardenwolfe posted:
This is true, if self-defense applies. In order for self-defense to apply, you must have a reasonable belief that your life is in immediate danger and that deadly force requires you to use said force. We know, that Zimmerman is over 100-pounds heavier than Martin.
Unless Martin was a ninja, which seems unlikely given the results, getting punched in the face by a 140-pound doesn't require someone over 240-pounds to pull a gun and shoot.
We also know that the only 'weapons' Martin had was a drink and candy while Zimmerman had a gun. Finally, we know that Zimmerman, not Martin, followed the teenager against recommendations from the dispatcher, and placed himself in said situation.
It's silly to even argue self-defense in this case. Was there any chance that Martin was going to kill Zimmerman? It's a given that that was never going to happen.
You don't know all the facts. Stop saying that you know everything that happened.
As it has been stated in a few other of these same threads, let the justice system do it's job. Stop trying to be an arm chair executioner.
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Uh if he was really on the ground getting repeatedly punched in the face you are going to have a hard time telling people he wasn't justified in shooting the kid. Assuming the kid started the physical fight.
I could almost believe that if Zimmerman hadn't gone out there to confront Martin. Who know what Zimmerman did or said to Martin. I'm not saying Martin was right to retaliate, but I am saying Zimmerman should have let the cops do their job and let it alone.
But he couldn't. According to him, "They always get away." And this time, he made sure this one didn't. To me, that pretty cut and dry.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
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It doesn't really matter. If the kid started the physical fight and was sitting on top of the guy punching him in the face the guy can't be blamed for shooting him. The guy is obviously a racist scumbag idiot but that doesn't mean he can't defend himself, even if he did bait the guy into attacking him.
If you are on the ground getting punched in the face repeatedly that qualifies as the risk of serious bodily injury or death in my book.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Uh if he was really on the ground getting repeatedly punched in the face you are going to have a hard time telling people he wasn't justified in shooting the kid. Assuming the kid started the physical fight.
Which is exactly why he wasn't arrested on scene. The evidence and testimony given at the time did not show probable cause to overrule Zimmerman's self defense story.
I would also go out on a limb and say that testimony given within a minutes/hours of something happening are more likely to be accurate then one given weeks later while talking to a news reporter.
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