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Z-Elder  Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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Don't try and cloud this up with what witnesses have to say!!
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Ardenwolfe  Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
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reesescups posted:
Ardenoobe - why are you still here? Thought you were leaving?
No, I said this:
Ardenwolfe posted:
My God. You're in your own realm of stupid. I provide the manual that states exactly what you're arguing against. Jesus, this is like trying to reason with a bowl of Jell-O.
Have at it, Hoss. I'm done with your idiotic trolling.
This means I'm done with you, but you may continue your idiotic trolling. Like I said, you also lack reading comprehension. Hope that clears things up for you. Take care. 
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Bowlartz  Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
"A kid who is getting Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles for himself and his little brother isn't looking to attack anyone."
Yea, because 17 year olds who partake in candy never commit crimes. Are you serious?
There was a rash of recent break ins around this neighborhood recently and he was not a regular resident. The neighborhood watch representative decided to try and keep an eye on him...nothing illegal or otherwise unusual in such a situation considering the recent break ins. The dispatchers advice was for Zimmermans safety and carries no weight what so ever. Zimmerman could have ended up just as dead if that was the real break in suspect.
In Trayvon's case, his best bet would have been to just go home which according to all of the evidence posted in even just this thread was very close. Somehow he ended up in a position on top of and beating the shit out of Zimmerman. The likely explanation of this is that either the kid at 6'3 (Zimmerman is 5'9) simply overpowered him or if taking weight into consideration as the key factor, the kid did exactly as Zimmerman claimed and hid..then jumped him. That would have been a bad choice whether Zimmerman was armed or not...it became a tragic choice when it turns out he was armed.
Again, this entire tragic incident is the result of bad choices on both sides of the conflict. There will be a civil trial but there won't be a criminal one.
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Bowlartz posted:
Yea, because 17 year olds who partake in candy never commit crimes. Are you serious?
There was a rash of recent break ins around this neighborhood recently and he was not a regular resident. The neighborhood watch representative decided to try and keep an eye on him...nothing illegal or otherwise unusual in such a situation considering the recent break ins. The dispatchers advice was for Zimmermans safety and carries no weight what so ever. Zimmerman could have ended up just as dead if that was the real break in suspect.
But Martin wasn't the 'break-in' suspect. He was just a kid who was going home after getting ice tea and candy for his little brother. This we do know. And no, I didn't say 17-year olds who partake in candy never commit crimes. I'm saying this 17-year old obviously did not.
The actions beforehand, during his phone call to his girlfriend, and afterwards all support that. All Zimmerman had to say was this: "I'm the Neighborhood Watch Captain. Can you tell me what you're doing here?"
But, given Zimmerman's prior comments on the 911 call, that's not what he said. And we can pretty much guess what he did say. The rest, as they say, is now history.
Edit: http://themostrequested.tv/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martins-killer-had-prior-brushes-with-the-law/
Apparently, Zimmerman had prior run-ins with similar results, but none ended in murder . . . until now. The other part, that's telling to me, is the previous arrest(s) made after he captured a thief in said community. If I had to guess, it almost seems that Zimmerman wanted to recapture that moment again.
He sounds like a zealous glory-hound. But, that's purely my opinion.
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Date Posted:
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too bad the kid wasnt packing a pellet gun
all though, id make the argument that fists are far more deadly than a pellet gun.
justice was served
move along
nothing to see here
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Groucho48 Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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From 911 tapes. 13 year old boy...
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"My brother said someone got shot behind our house," McLendon's older sister told a 911 dispatcher. "I heard something and then my brother ran into the house," she said.
"Is your brother there?" the dispatcher asks.
"He's next to me," she says.
"Okay, can you give him the phone?"
Austin comes on the line: "I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help, that was screaming and then I was going to go over there to try and help him, but my dog got off the leash, so I went and got my dog, and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped."
The dispatcher asks: "Did you see the person get shot? Did you know the person that was shot, or did you see the person that had the gun?"
"No, I just heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped," Austin replied.
Doesn't quite jibe with Zimmerman's story that Martin punched him to the ground and then straddled him beating his head against the curb.
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Z-Elder Posts: 671
Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/new-witness-says-george-zimmerman-was-not-aggressor-trayvon-martin-shooting
According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV, “John†said:
“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
The Tampa Bay Fox report states that Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red, and that his statements to police were instrumental because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman."
Not Guilty. Next case.
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Groucho48 Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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Date Posted:
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So, did this anonymous mystery witness call 911? If not, why not? I've listened to a few of the 911 tapes but didn't come across that one. It also looks as though he didn't see who started the fight, so, I don't know how you can say not guilty. Might not end up being enough evidence for a conviction, but, I don't see how this adds a whole lot of info we didn't already have. It doesn't matter who was winning the fight. It matters who started the fight. And, even then, the Flkorida law is...
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A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to (the section dealing with Home Protection)
Martin is being followed, at night, by a guy, first in an SUV, then on foot. The guy is armed. If I was Martin in that situation, I'd certainly be worried about the imminent use of unlawful force".
Zimmerman was stalking, with a gun, a 17 year old kid. If that kid thought he was in danger, and, from his phone call, it certainly seemed as though he did, he has the right to defend himself. he tried walking fast...that didn't work. He tried hiding, that didn't work.
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Grymlo Posts: 415
Registered: 2002-4-30 05:51:06
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Groucho48 posted:
So, did this anonymous mystery witness call 911? If not, why not? I've listened to a few of the 911 tapes but didn't come across that one. It also looks as though he didn't see who started the fight, so, I don't know how you can say not guilty. Might not end up being enough evidence for a conviction, but, I don't see how this adds a whole lot of info we didn't already have. It doesn't matter who was winning the fight. It matters who started the fight. And, even then, the Flkorida law is...
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A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to (the section dealing with Home Protection)
Martin is being followed, at night, by a guy, first in an SUV, then on foot. The guy is armed. If I was Martin in that situation, I'd certainly be worried about the imminent use of unlawful force".
Zimmerman was stalking, with a gun, a 17 year old kid. If that kid thought he was in danger, and, from his phone call, it certainly seemed as though he did, he has the right to defend himself. he tried walking fast...that didn't work. He tried hiding, that didn't work.
I doubt Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun so try saying everything you just did without using the word gun and there really isnt much of an inmiment death threat.
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Durkall Posts: 7
Registered: 2009-11-2 13:20:51
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Let me see if I have this correctly, in Florida I can follow someone even though the police told me not to. I can confront/harass them because I think they look suspicious and then get into an altercation, which I initiated by my previous actions. If I start to lose the altercation I then have a right to use deadly force for the win. I wish I knew about this law last time I was at Disney and Goofy got a little aggressive with the hugging action.
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