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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head [Locked] |
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1/1/00 12:03am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Grymlo posted:
Groucho48 posted:
So, did this anonymous mystery witness call 911? If not, why not? I've listened to a few of the 911 tapes but didn't come across that one. It also looks as though he didn't see who started the fight, so, I don't know how you can say not guilty. Might not end up being enough evidence for a conviction, but, I don't see how this adds a whole lot of info we didn't already have. It doesn't matter who was winning the fight. It matters who started the fight. And, even then, the Flkorida law is...
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A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to (the section dealing with Home Protection)
Martin is being followed, at night, by a guy, first in an SUV, then on foot. The guy is armed. If I was Martin in that situation, I'd certainly be worried about the imminent use of unlawful force".
Zimmerman was stalking, with a gun, a 17 year old kid. If that kid thought he was in danger, and, from his phone call, it certainly seemed as though he did, he has the right to defend himself. he tried walking fast...that didn't work. He tried hiding, that didn't work.
I doubt Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun so try saying everything you just did without using the word gun and there really isnt much of an inmiment death threat.
Why is this board so full of racist wankers ?
You are a black CHILD, walking alone with soft drinks and candy, and a full grown white male who looks sleazy is talking you and probably said racist things including the N word. you call someone you care and this crazd man AMBUSHES YOU.
Remember back to when you were 17 and probably still believed Ghosts were real. HE was probably still in fear, and for all he knew Zimmerman could have be a pedophile.
The man is a danger to minorities and should be given the death sentence for murdering a minor who also happens to be a minority, something Zimmerman despises....
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
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This is proof why members of the public should not be given guns so they can go out and live their wankerish vigilante fantasies.
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Bowlartz  Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Trayvon's family is racing around now deleting all social media accounts and had their lawyer seal his school records. Unfortunately for them Google cache has most of it including drug dealing, self photos of him using gang symbols and him talking about punching a school bus driver just days before his death. The school bus driver incident is now being suggested as the reason he was suspended for 10 days from school and facing expulsion.
None of that information warrants he be shot but certainly does change this image that is being pushed down everyone's throat. He was only 17 but his most recent photos show he had the body of a full grown adult at 6'3 yet the media keeps on using older pictures of him.
Just remember, you weren't there, I wasn't there so we have no clue what happened. On the scene witnesses *at the time of the shooting* mostly back up Zimmerman's version of events according to the police report and from statements made by the special prosecutor reviewing the case. A grand jury will most certainly get to review all of it as well.
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Date Posted:
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Bowlartz posted:
Trayvon's family is racing around now deleting all social media accounts and had their lawyer seal his school records. Unfortunately for them Google cache has most of it including drug dealing, self photos of him using gang symbols and him talking about punching a school bus driver just days before his death. The school bus driver incident is now being suggested as the reason he was suspended for 10 days from school and facing expulsion.
None of that information warrants he be shot but certainly does change this image that is being pushed down everyone's throat. He was only 17 but his most recent photos show he had the body of a full grown adult at 6'3 yet the media keeps on using older pictures of him.
Just remember, you weren't there, I wasn't there so we have no clue what happened. On the scene witnesses *at the time of the shooting* mostly back up Zimmerman's version of events according to the police report and from statements made by the special prosecutor reviewing the case. A grand jury will most certainly get to review all of it as well.
True that. Obviously none of us were there because one minority survived... We'd have waited for one of them to kill the other and then killed the survivor.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Ashmaele posted:
Bowlartz posted:
It is also coming out now that there were a rash of break ins (confirmed by police) in the days just before the shooting right in the area of the shooting. While Zimmerman still should have kept his distance he was well with in his rights to keep an eye on someone that doesn't belong in the neighborhood in light of the recent break ins...that is what a neighborhood watch does.
Are you suggesting that all Zimmerman did was "keep an eye on him?" He called the cops, the dispatcher told him plainly not to follow the kid, and he did it anyway.
OPERATOR: Are you following him?
ZIMMERMAN: Yeah.
OPERATOR: OK. We don't need you to do that.
ZIMMERMAN: OK.
What?? did you not hear the tape or read the transcripts?
OPERATOR: OK. We don't need you to do that.
ZIMMERMAN: OK.
What about him saying OK do you not understand?
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Kjarhall  Title: The Pungent One
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Durkall posted:
Let me see if I have this correctly, in Florida I can follow someone even though the police told me not to. I can confront/harass them because I think they look suspicious and then get into an altercation, which I initiated by my previous actions. If I start to lose the altercation I then have a right to use deadly force for the win. I wish I knew about this law last time I was at Disney and Goofy got a little aggressive with the hugging action.
That's the part that sticks with me. I think he loses a self defense plea for initiating the entire encounter.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
Kjarhall posted:
Durkall posted:
Let me see if I have this correctly, in Florida I can follow someone even though the police told me not to. I can confront/harass them because I think they look suspicious and then get into an altercation, which I initiated by my previous actions. If I start to lose the altercation I then have a right to use deadly force for the win. I wish I knew about this law last time I was at Disney and Goofy got a little aggressive with the hugging action.
That's the part that sticks with me. I think he loses a self defense plea for initiating the entire encounter.
No. Only if he initiated the violence. And even then it could "reset" if he walked away and the other guy had time to think and followed and pursued what the court finds to be a second encounter.
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Bowlartz Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Date Posted:
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"Let me see if I have this correctly, in Florida I can follow someone even though the police told me not to"
The police told him no such thing, a dispatcher following standard procedure told him not to keep following for his own safety.
"I can confront/harass them because I think they look suspicious and then get into an altercation,"
This presumes that Zimmerman confronted him and was not jumped on his way back to his SUV after losing sight of him as he claims. You have no proof it did not happen this way. Just as their is no proof it did.
"If I start to lose the altercation I then have a right to use deadly force for the win."
If someone is on top of you, repeatedly smashing your head into the ground after having just broken your nose...deadly force is certainly an option if you think it is going to get worse regardless of why it started. Zimmerman had no idea who he was, it is a small neighborhood that had experienced a rash of break ins...what if this 6'3 kid was the suspect? Did Treyvon make a move for his gun?
Again, you have no proof either way. The only direct witness says he saw Zimmerman overpowered and crying out for help which caused the witness to call 911. That witness at the very least is reasonable doubt.
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Date Posted:
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4f71c55be4b00809b7 posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Bowlartz posted:
It is also coming out now that there were a rash of break ins (confirmed by police) in the days just before the shooting right in the area of the shooting. While Zimmerman still should have kept his distance he was well with in his rights to keep an eye on someone that doesn't belong in the neighborhood in light of the recent break ins...that is what a neighborhood watch does.
Are you suggesting that all Zimmerman did was "keep an eye on him?" He called the cops, the dispatcher told him plainly not to follow the kid, and he did it anyway.
OPERATOR: Are you following him?
ZIMMERMAN: Yeah.
OPERATOR: OK. We don't need you to do that.
ZIMMERMAN: OK.
What?? did you not hear the tape or read the transcripts?
OPERATOR: OK. We don't need you to do that.
ZIMMERMAN: OK.
What about him saying OK do you not understand?
Do you not know how to read? The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
I do not need to read all you folks post stupid stuff. Is that an order for you to STFU?
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:04am
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Trayvon Martin was punching Zimmerman in the head |
How come the same people against this shooting were the same ones cheering the death of a white kid at the hands of thirty cops who forgot how to use pepper spray and tazers?
Is it because this kid is black and you feel compelled by white guilt to take his side?
or is it because the shooter is brown?
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