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Ashmaele  Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Yukishiro1 posted:
It's the prosecution's burden to disprove self defense. Zimmerman doesn't have to do anything if they don't make their case.
This is absolutely true. Again, I'm not trying to make a beyond-a-reasonable-doubt case against GZ in this or any other thread about the subject, I'm just pointing out that this isn't as open and shut as some of us believe, especially if everything is hinged one one eyewitness' testimony while every other piece of evidence is summarily discounted or ignored.
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theredkay1  Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Yukishiro1 posted:
One guy was following another guy with the intent to confront him.
Black box.
The guy who was following the other guy is on the ground getting beat up because he's actually a fat weakling.
Fat weakling shoots the other guy.
That's what we have. What is important is what happened in the black box. If the fat weakling started the physical fight he wasn't acting in self defense. If he didn't he was.
This seems right....but its also important to note that being attacked by Martin does not by itself give Zimmerman the right to kill him.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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theredkay1 posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
One guy was following another guy with the intent to confront him.
Black box.
The guy who was following the other guy is on the ground getting beat up because he's actually a fat weakling.
Fat weakling shoots the other guy.
That's what we have. What is important is what happened in the black box. If the fat weakling started the physical fight he wasn't acting in self defense. If he didn't he was.
This seems right....but its also important to note that being attacked by Martin does not by itself give Zimmerman the right to kill him.
I'm pretty sure it does here in Stupidstate
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Vydor  Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
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Yukishiro1 posted:
It's the prosecution's burden to disprove self defense. Zimmerman doesn't have to do anything if they don't make their case.
That said, it's enough for them to just say "he was following the guy, they got into a fight, Martin got shot." Given everything we know about Zimmerman the fact that he was following Martin and using racial slurs and refused to stop following Martin is really enough to show he was the one who started the confrontation. People get convicted of murder on more flimsy evidence all the time.
Yeah, but I don't think they are confident that Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the dispatch told him not to. Nor can it be proven he used a slur. Yes people get convicted on flimsy evidence, that's not the issue, the issue is getting it into court in the first place, combined with the confidence of the prosecutor that they can actually prove their case. If they take the case to the judge with flimsy evidence and Zimmerman walks, they can never go back.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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theredkay1 posted:
This seems right....but its also important to note that being attacked by Martin does not by itself give Zimmerman the right to kill him.
One punch? Probably not. Although in Florida you never know. That state is crazy stupid.
But if Martin was on top of Zimmerman repeatedly punching him in the face? That's different and does justify shooting in any state I know of.
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Bowlartz Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
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"Professional audio analysis says it's pretty much a scientific certainty that the voice is not Zimmerman....and the deniers blow past that like it's meaningless. laugh"
Two paid consultants said what they were paid to say and it was not a scientific certainty, they reached a 48% conclusion that it was Zimmerman with the burden according to their guidelines being 60% for a match. The 60% number was only admitted to after the audio "experts" were asked by CNN to clarify their results and the science behind it. Added in with eyewitness testimony saying it was in fact Zimmerman crying out for help...kinda kills this "expert" piece of information.
You really think Zimmerman couldn't get two paid audio consultants to state the evidence proves it was his voice?
Phulease.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
Paid consultant:
"Using it, he found a 48% likelihood the voice is Zimmerman's. At least 60% is necessary to feel confident two samples are from the same source, he told CNN on Monday"
Yea, 3 days ago it needed to be 90% plus, now it just needs to be 60% when confronted. That is some reassuring scientific evidence.
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Bowlartz Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Damn boards causing me to double post!
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Bowlartz posted:
When you jump to a conclusion without all the facts, its really hard to keep your mind straight when new facts come in. You are providing a textbook case in confirmation bias.
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ZigmundZag Title: Grammar Nazi
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
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Yukishiro1 posted:
One punch? Probably not. Although in Florida you never know. That state is crazy stupid.
But if Martin was on top of Zimmerman repeatedly punching him in the face? That's different and does justify shooting in any state I know of.
This is where I think self-defense laws get kinda dumb when mixed with concealed carry laws. If Martin knew that Zimmerman had a gun and is obviously pursuing him, doesn't he have a right to defend himself by punching Zimmerman repeatedly? Is Martin's biggest failure that night NOT having his own gun to defend himself with?
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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ZigmundZag posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
One punch? Probably not. Although in Florida you never know. That state is crazy stupid.
But if Martin was on top of Zimmerman repeatedly punching him in the face? That's different and does justify shooting in any state I know of.
This is where I think self-defense laws get kinda dumb when mixed with concealed carry laws. If Martin knew that Zimmerman had a gun and is obviously pursuing him, doesn't he have a right to defend himself by punching Zimmerman repeatedly? Is Martin's biggest failure that night NOT having his own gun to defend himself with?
Pursuing someone is not a crime.
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