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Ardenwolfe  Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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ZigmundZag posted:
If you are pursuing me at night with a gun I'm not going to assume you're there to ask me directions.
Granted, that also depends upon when it became apparent that Zimmerman had a gun. I'm pretty sure I know what Zimmerman is going to say about that. Too bad Martin can't tell us his side of the story.
I recall reading and hearing from various news agencies, that Zimmerman had a habit of holstering his Kel-Tec PF-9 on his belt or waistband and in the open. Again, if I recall, it was noted by neighbors. I absolutely do not know if that's true, but understanding Zimmerman's gung-ho mentality, probably. But, again, I'm not 100% sure if that's fact.
Vydor posted:
One thing I've wondered, is how close was Martin to his home. Why didn't he just go inside? Why didn't he call the cops? Did he retreat towards his home initially? Or come away from his home to confront Zimmerman. Did Zimmerman see him at the entrance of the community and pursue him to the doorsteps of his home and kill him? I'd like to see a lay out of the community and some positional points of how things went down.
To answer the question of how close Martin was, here is an interactive map and layout showing the locations of the 7-Eleven, Zimmerman's house, Martin's father's house, and the place where Martin died.
He was less than jogging distance from his home. Maybe a little more than 300 feet. Sad.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html?ref=us
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Vydor  Posts: 248
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Ardenwolfe posted:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html?ref=us
Thanks for the link, that's what I was looking for.
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Bowlartz Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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theredkay1 posted:
Bowlartz posted:
theredkay1 posted:
Bowlartz posted:
When you jump to a conclusion without all the facts, its really hard to keep your mind straight when new facts come in. You are providing a textbook case in confirmation bias.
I tend to do that when they change their story when pressed, like they did about how the science works.
You insinuated that the voice analysts tried to hide the information and only released it under pressure. That doesnt appear to be true.
You are also telling us that the analyst suddenly changed his threshold (in Zimmermans favor, but you didnt seem to focus on that as it didnt help your argument) when 'confronted'. There was no 'confrontation', you just threw that in there to make it sound suspcious.
The articles do not go into great detail on this threshold, but what is provided does mention two seperate measuring sticks. 90% = a 'positive match' and 60% = analyst feels comfortable they are from the same source.
Seems to me that different thresholds indicate different levels of certainty for this analyst.
By interjecting your own editorial comments you are trying to change this into deceptiveness.
Or I just go further into the story when this part came out:
"The experts, both of whom said they have testified in cases involving audio analysis, stressed they cannot say who was screaming."
But sure, lets throw that out there for consideration when you have an eye witness who says it was Zimmerman yelling for help.
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theredkay1  Posts: 611
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The experts say that it wasnt Zimmerman, but they dont have enough evidence to say who it was.
You are taking confirmation bias to a whole new level. Way to step up your game.
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Vydor Posts: 248
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theredkay1 posted:
The experts say that it wasnt Zimmerman, but they dont have enough evidence to say who it was.
You are taking confirmation bias to a whole new level. Way to step up your game.
Yeah, I agree, this is another issue where there isn't enough one way or the other to make a positive determination. They can say there's a 50/50 chance it's not Zimmerman, but without a sample to test Martin with, they can't say it's more likely to be his.
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Bowlartz Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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theredkay1 posted:
The experts say that it wasnt Zimmerman, but they dont have enough evidence to say who it was.
You are taking confirmation bias to a whole new level. Way to step up your game.
There was only two people fighting and the eyewitness making the call. It wasn't the caller, the audio expert says there is a 48% chance its Zimmerman and the eye witness says it was Zimmerman. Twist that anyway you like but it spells...no evidence for the prosecution of George Zimmerman.
The Martin family and their lawyer with the help of various media outlets are pushing information out of any kind to increase the likelihood of a civil judgement...nothing more, nothing less. Zimmerman is an unlikeable douche bag who absolutely made bad choices that led to a bad outcome but there is no reason he should be railroaded. If there is evidence he acted criminally, then let it out. So far, no real evidence exists or he would be in jail.
The irony of a seeming lynching coming from the black community is near overload levels.
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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The community wants justice in the form of a trial. Don't get it twisted. And you're not clever.
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
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Bowlartz posted:
theredkay1 posted:
The experts say that it wasnt Zimmerman, but they dont have enough evidence to say who it was.
You are taking confirmation bias to a whole new level. Way to step up your game.
There was only two people fighting and the eyewitness making the call. It wasn't the caller, the audio expert says there is a 48% chance its Zimmerman and the eye witness says it was Zimmerman. Twist that anyway you like but it spells...no evidence for the prosecution of George Zimmerman.
Maybe I missed it, but I havent seen anyone claiming that this voice analysis is by itself proof that Zimmerman should get the chair.
The analysis is just one piece of data (or 2 pieces I guess) that should be considered and I dont see why you feel the need to mislead people about it. Im not the one wildly twisting.
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Vydor Posts: 248
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Ardenwolfe posted:
The community wants justice in the form of a trial. Don't get it twisted. And you're not clever.
And that's the catch. They cannot arrest Zimmerman unless they had probable cause that he used deadly force unlawfully. They simply can't put him and jail then try to prove it in court, they have to show probable cause before they arrest him, which makes this case so difficult for the prosecutor. People may want a trial, but they probably not going to get it.
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Unfortunately, now that a month has passed, I believe you may be right. His parents may have to go the civil route instead.
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