At their meeting?

 

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Right here on this board.

I can list some of you by name if you want. I was trying to be discrete.

 

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TM's conversation with his girlfriend right before the confrontation is a key piece of evidence. Per the girlfriend, TM asked GZ, "Why are you following me?" We've talked about it in this very thread. You can obviously dismiss it if, for whatever reason, you do not find the girlfriend's story credible, but if you pretend it isn't there you aren't being objective.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. In one sentence people talk about "what the evidence shows" and draw conclusions based on ONLY that evidence that they care to talk about.

Then again, dailycaller.com and fox news haven't focused very much on the evidence provided by the girlfriend so I can see why some of you would overlook it.

 

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Zimmerman does not dispute that he was keeping an eye on Trayvon Martin while on the 911 call. In fact, the 911 call has Zimmerman stating that Trayvon "ran off". The timeline matches the girlfriends statement.

From ABCNews.com

~"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run."~

So far...Zimmerman is telling the truth.

~"Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin."~

Then the girlfriend's "facts" seem to stray into what "she thinks" happened. She has no idea where Trayvon was running or moving to she was not there, it very much could have been right towards Zimmerman. He in fact states he is "not going to run" which could be construed as not being scared and in fact a sense of bravado that he could kick this fat short guys ass.


~"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone."~

She further offers "facts" as if to say someone pushed Trayvon because his head set fell off...that could just as easily be Trayvon hauling off and cold cocking Zimmerman in the nose. Again, she just surmises and guesses she has no idea if that is true or not. Certainly not good evidence as it can easily be picked apart, particularly with her interjecting "facts". Any lawyer with half a brain could destroy her testimony on a witness stand.


Zimmerman has an eye witness that he was getting his ass kicked with Trayvon Martin on top of him and in control. The witness didn't interject, he just said I saw "X" happening so I called 911.

 

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lol "He lost the man" who wasn't following him At least you finally came out and admitted that you don't believe the girlfriend's story. Kudos for that I guess.

You actually think that TM was chasing GZ around the neighborhood, not the other way around. There is literally no use whatsoever in even discussing this issue with you. You have your mind made up, and no amount of evidence that does not support your beliefs is even worthy of consideration.

 

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"lol "He lost the man" who wasn't following him silly At least you finally came out and admitted that you don't believe the girlfriend's story. Kudos for that I guess.

You actually think that TM was chasing GZ around the neighborhood, not the other way around. There is literally no use whatsoever in even discussing this issue with you. You have your mind made up, and no amount of evidence that does not support your beliefs is even worthy of consideration."


I think his girlfriend embellished her version of events, yes. She says things happened that she couldn't know without being there.

And no one said TM was chasing Zimmerman but he could very well have decided he could kick Zimmerman's ass after getting a good look at him and decided to confront him asking him "Why are you following me?". It doesn't help that his girlfriend states that "he was not going to run".

See that's the bitch here, you don't know, I don't know, his girlfriend doesn't know. The only thing we do have is a witness saying that TM was on top of Zimmerman kicking his ass. Again, this is about evidence and an eye witness > girlfriend suggesting parts of her story.

If that's all they have he shouldn't be arrested. They need more.

 

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So, in your mind, there is 100% chance that she embellished her story and 0% chance that GZ embellished his.

Sounds reasonable.

 

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I do not know how much value the prosecutor can get from the girlfriends testimony. It might be of use to corroborate some time lines and maybe that Zimmerman was following Martin, but most of it is hearsay and some of it is hearsay of hearsay. It's just not going to be allowed in court I don't think.

The two things that trouble me about the girlfriend is why didn't the cops call her back immediately to find out her information, and why has she never given a statement for the record at all. Those things puzzle me.

 

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