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Z-Elder  3 stars
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The End

 

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Vydor  1 star
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Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
cabbyman posted:

I've read all these news stories and reports. Unless you have some sort of solid evidence against Zimmerman then they're all just he said, she said and none of it is evidence that Zimmerman didn't believe he was fighting for his life.



This is the reason Zimmerman is walking free. The state lacks credible evidence to refute his story and charge him with a crime. I guess they could charge him and go for broke with what they have now, but a judge would throw it out of court because it's all circumstantial.

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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cabbyman posted:

Please point me to an eyewitness that says Zimmerman wasn't fighting for his life.



Which I did.

and sure enough

/squirm

“I heard someone crying — not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31, who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community where the shooting occurred. “To me, it was a child. This was not self-defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”

Mary doesn't seem very anonymous. And we now know it was not Zimmerman pleading for help so her statement seems fairly credible. Tell me Cabby, if it wasn't Zimmerman whining and pleading for help, who do you think was? And why did it stop at the gunshot?

And why didn't "your" witness hear any of this but claims to know what happened before and after?

Cabby it's all he said she said. That includes the witness that you choose to believe. It's not all anonymous either. They are anonymous in the newspaper article. This does not mean it was not reported to the police. Chances are very good that it was.

For a man who was viciously pounded against the pavement and had his nose broken Zimmerman looks awful chipper 4 hours later. He must face death rather regularly. What a stolid young fellow!

Barney Fife lost it, got scared and shot an unarmed man. If Barney Fife was not an asshole then nobody would have died. If he had started this confrontation and gotten his ass kicked people would say, "serves you right dumbass. Stop looking for trouble you can't handle." Instead we are supposed to believe a relatively normal kid went berserk.

Not buying it and don't care. Barney Fife is a menace and he needs to be investigated until his colon is sore.

 

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Z-Elder  3 stars
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"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John,"

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Thanks for proving my point.

 

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Z-Elder  3 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

Mary doesn't seem very anonymous. And we now know it was not Zimmerman pleading for help so her statement seems fairly credible. Tell me Cabby, if it wasn't Zimmerman whining and pleading for help, who do you think was? And why did it stop at the gunshot?

And why didn't "your" witness hear any of this but claims to know what happened before and after?

 

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Sansfear  3 stars
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You don't know that it wasn't Zimmerman on the tape, you just have guesses by the audio analysis guys.

Both sides need to stop pontificating and let the investigation run its course.
cabbyman  2 stars
Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
vn_nnanji posted:

cabbyman posted:

Please point me to an eyewitness that says Zimmerman wasn't fighting for his life.



Which I did.

and sure enough

/squirm

“I heard someone crying — not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31, who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community where the shooting occurred. “To me, it was a child. This was not self-defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”

Mary doesn't seem very anonymous. And we now know it was not Zimmerman pleading for help so her statement seems fairly credible. Tell me Cabby, if it wasn't Zimmerman whining and pleading for help, who do you think was? And why did it stop at the gunshot?

And why didn't "your" witness hear any of this but claims to know what happened before and after?

Cabby it's all he said she said. That includes the witness that you choose to believe. It's not all anonymous either. They are anonymous in the newspaper article. This does not mean it was not reported to the police. Chances are very good that it was.

For a man who was viciously pounded against the pavement and had his nose broken Zimmerman looks awful chipper 4 hours later. He must face death rather regularly. What a stolid young fellow!

Barney Fife lost it, got scared and shot an unarmed man. If Barney Fife was not an asshole then nobody would have died. If he had started this confrontation and gotten his ass kicked people would say, "serves you right dumbass. Stop looking for trouble you can't handle." Instead we are supposed to believe a relatively normal kid went berserk.

Not buying it and don't care. Barney Fife is a menace and he needs to be investigated until his colon is sore.



Again she hears what she thinks is a boys scream. Did you listen to the tape? Have you heard what people sound like when they are screaming in fear for their lives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRwJCl5mUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4n4ENUQcM&feature=related

She can't possibly know who's scream it was! If Zimmerman was getting beat (like the eyewitness says he was) and was fearing for his life then his screams would have been loud and shrill and fearful.

It is amazing the amount of actual hard evidence you have to ignore to even start believing some of the stuff you are!

I agree that Zimmerman needs to be investigated. I've said that all along. However unless something new comes to light then this was a legal shooting in self defense.

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
vn_nnanji posted:

I think we owe the other one the chance as well. Don't you?



Absolutely. I been saying this all along. We need to wait and see what the prosecutors end up doing.


I don't know if this 100% true but I think that Mary witness recanted her first statement she made to the police and when she spoke to the reporters later on she changed it. I could be confusing it with other witness statements I read.
Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
cabbyman posted:

The actual hard evidence shows that Zimmerman was being beaten at the time of the shooting.



No. And no matter how many times you post this it will still be no (barring new information, of course). We have eyewitnesses who say they saw TM whooping GZ's ass. We have zero eyewitnesses who say that Zimmerman was being beaten at the time of the shooting. Once again, you are injecting your personal opinion into the conversation as though it is "hard evidence." You've been doing this over several threads. It's almost as though you have a vested interest in the outcome or something.

 

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