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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Vydor posted:

There must need be proof of a crime,



Like a dead body and someone standing over it with a smoking pistol? Something like that?

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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You know, back in the O.J. case, Ron Goldman (sp?) had bruised knuckles showed he had punched someone a few times.

O.J. was doing nothing wrong by following Nicole, carrying a knife. Nothing in the least bit illegal with that. He did nothing illegal arguing with her.

It was all Goldman grabbing O.J. and, unprovoked, starting a fight, which caused O.J. to fear for his life, especially once Nicole also jumped in.

There are no eyewitnesses stating otherwise.

O.J. should never even have been charged.

 

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Bowlartz  1 star
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"Eyewitnesses have also stated plainly that Zimmerman was not fighting for his life, that he was not where he claimed to be or hurt as bad as he claims to be. Audio tapes have pretty much eliminated the idea that Zimmerman was calling for help, but somebody was. If Zimmerman wasn't whining and asking for help who was? thinking"


Now I know you're just trolling at this point.

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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cabbyman posted:

Please point me to an eyewitness that says Zimmerman wasn't fighting for his life.



Okey Dokey. Just one? ( You'll just ignore it and try to potshot holes in them but the issue is that you have pretended there are no conflicting accounts.)


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-martin-case.html

http://gothamist.com/2012/03/30/new_witness_says_george_zimmerman_h.php


Go ahead Cabby. Squirm away.

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Bowlartz posted:

"Eyewitnesses have also stated plainly that Zimmerman was not fighting for his life, that he was not where he claimed to be or hurt as bad as he claims to be. Audio tapes have pretty much eliminated the idea that Zimmerman was calling for help, but somebody was. If Zimmerman wasn't whining and asking for help who was? thinking"


Now I know you're just trolling at this point.



ORLY?

How long have you had this reading disorder?

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
Why is this witness just now coming forward over a month after the fact?
vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Irrelevant. The issue here is whether there are conflicting eyewitness accounts. Cabby and crew have pretended otherwise all along. If you go back to the original thread on the story you will see me mentioning Anderson Cooper and two witnesses who said that Zimmerman did not act in self defense, so your "why now" question is not just irrelevant, it's also in error.

Besides it's not you or my job to determine the credibility of witnesses. That is for the investigators and courts to decide. Wishing them away doesn;t change the fact that there are conflicting eyewitness accounts, which in fact is normal. To selectively believe one of them isn't normal.

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

He's guilty of being armed and stupid at the very least.



Unfortunately that's not a crime.
vn_nnanji  4 stars
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It is when there is a dead body on the ground. There is not one iota of doubt that Barney Fife is guilty of killing Martin. The question is only whether he was right to do so.

Remember there are two people who have the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Only one of them is getting to tell his story though.

I think we owe the other one the chance as well. Don't you?

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

cabbyman posted:

Please point me to an eyewitness that says Zimmerman wasn't fighting for his life.



Okey Dokey. Just one? ( You'll just ignore it and try to potshot holes in them but the issue is that you have pretended there are no conflicting accounts.)


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-martin-case.html

http://gothamist.com/2012/03/30/new_witness_says_george_zimmerman_h.php


Go ahead Cabby. Squirm away.



Badger none of this stuff is new information. You have anonymous tipsters, people hearing crying that they think sounds like a boy, and the family of a dead kid saying "this changes everything!". There has never been a claim that wasn't conflicting accounts.

The actual hard evidence shows that Zimmerman was being beaten at the time of the shooting. There is an eyewitness that yelled at Martin as he was beating Zimmerman. There are eyewitnesses at the scene that talked about Zimmerman being bloody. There is video of Zimmerman's head being injured and bleeding.

I've read all these news stories and reports. Unless you have some sort of solid evidence against Zimmerman then they're all just he said, she said and none of it is evidence that Zimmerman didn't believe he was fighting for his life.

Slink away? HA! Unless something new comes out I am 100% correct here. One shot, one kill, clean and legal.

 

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