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Ashmaele  Title: Pastor of Muppets
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If you believe that TM attacked GZ from behind, then you pretty much have to 100% discount the testimony of TM's girlfriend, with whom he was talking on the phone when the altercation occurred. There is simply no way that both GZ and that chick can be telling the truth.
If you 100% believe GZ and 100% discount the statement given by TM's girlfriend, then you're probably a partisan who has already made up his mind about this case and your opinion should probably be ignored completely.
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Vydor  Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
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1/1/00 12:04am
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Ashmaele posted:
If you believe that TM attacked GZ from behind, then you pretty much have to 100% discount the testimony of TM's girlfriend, with whom he was talking on the phone when the altercation occurred. There is simply no way that both GZ and that chick can be telling the truth.
If you 100% believe GZ and 100% discount the statement given by TM's girlfriend, then you're probably a partisan who has already made up his mind about this case and your opinion should probably be ignored completely.
Wait, why is that? I think the main differences are just in the verbiage...in which case it's a he said/she said...that happens all the time. But both testimonies point to an encounter between the two.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Vydor posted:
Ashmaele posted:
If you believe that TM attacked GZ from behind, then you pretty much have to 100% discount the testimony of TM's girlfriend, with whom he was talking on the phone when the altercation occurred. There is simply no way that both GZ and that chick can be telling the truth.
If you 100% believe GZ and 100% discount the statement given by TM's girlfriend, then you're probably a partisan who has already made up his mind about this case and your opinion should probably be ignored completely.
Wait, why is that? I think the main differences are just in the verbiage...in which case it's a he said/she said...that happens all the time. But both testimonies point to an encounter between the two.
Her statement:
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“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.â€
It's pretty clear from this statement that she is saying TM was trying to get away from GZ. If this is true, then it directly contradicts GZ's statement that he stopped following TM and walked back to his truck. It also further illustrates how illogical the notion is that in a matter of seconds TM went from terrified kid being followed by scary neighborhood watch guy to aggressive thug chasing down innocent well-meaning neighborhood watch guy. It just does not add up.
Apply Occum's razor, figure out who has more of a reason to lie (GZ or TM's girlfriend) and it's really a simple conclusion...
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DemonicXH  Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Did she give an official statement to the police yet?
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Vydor Posts: 248
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Ashmaele posted:
Her statement:
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“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.â€
It's pretty clear from this statement that she is saying TM was trying to get away from GZ. If this is true, then it directly contradicts GZ's statement that he stopped following TM and walked back to his truck. It also further illustrates how illogical the notion is that in a matter of seconds TM went from terrified kid being followed by scary neighborhood watch guy to aggressive thug chasing down innocent well-meaning neighborhood watch guy. It just does not add up.
Apply Occum's razor, figure out who has more of a reason to lie (GZ or TM's girlfriend) and it's really a simple conclusion...
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That's the first part. And it doesn't make clear if Trayvon didn't engage Zimmerman. There's no proof one way or the other. Though I can see how the assumption can be made. I for example, do not discard the girlfriends testimony, but I think there is a chance that Trayvon could have approached Zimmerman, instead of Zimmerman chasing him down. I just don't know for sure.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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I just checked Wikipedia and there is no mention that the girlfriend has given any official statements to the police. Just that her family has retained an attorney and released those statements anonymously.
I wonder why that is.
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Ashmaele posted:
Apply Occum's razor, figure out who has more of a reason to lie (GZ or TM's girlfriend) and it's really a simple conclusion...
Seems like both have a strong incentive to stretch the truth.
If some f*cker killed my wife b/c she was wearing a hoodie, I would have a strong incentive to remember events in a light most damning to the accused.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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DemonicXH posted:
I just checked Wikipedia and there is no mention that the girlfriend has given any official statements to the police. Just that her family has retained an attorney and released those statements anonymously.
I wonder why that is.
Was about to post the wiki info. And I have no idea as to the why. We could speculate anything from "She has refused to talk to the police after repeated attempts by police to contact her" to "the cops in this case are so god-awful that they still have not bothered to take this girl's statement" or anything in between.
That said, I'm not completely convinced that it's relevant. Either she's telling the truth or she's lying. Either GZ's telling the truth or he's lying. But if he's telling the truth then she's lying. Or TM lied to her. Which seems implausible...
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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theredkay1 posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Apply Occum's razor, figure out who has more of a reason to lie (GZ or TM's girlfriend) and it's really a simple conclusion...
Seems like both have a strong incentive to stretch the truth.
If some f*cker killed my wife b/c she was wearing a hoodie, I would have a strong incentive to remember events in a light most damning to the accused.
Meh, I can't really contradict this.
Instinctively I would say that it is doubtful that TM called up his girlfriend to report to her that he was following this fat Whispanic Barney-Fife type around this neighborhood to screw with him, but I will concede that it is possible that her story does not match reality.
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Groucho48 Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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Of course it's possible the girl is lying or distorting the conversation. Just as it is possible that Zimmerman is lying or distorting waht happened.
Too bad there isn't some mechanism where advocates for each side get to present their best case and a neutral group decides which side is believable.
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