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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Yes, right after he said, "ou're going to die tonight."

I mean I know we don't have a lot of physical evidence that Zimmerman was in a fight for his life, but we do have the kid conveniently saying "ou are going to die tonight."

According to Zimmerman.

 

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Z-Elder  3 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
Groucho48 posted:

Z-Elder posted:

While Martin is viciously knocking Our community watchmens head on the edge of the sidewalk his rage clears enough for him to see Zimmerman finally, with great reluctance, pull his gun. Martin starts to stand and Pop! With the force he staggers back a couple steps away from the sidewalk and Zimmerman where he falls. Zimmerman rose and went to check him out. Now both men are away from the sidewalk. Zimmerman barely escapes with his life while saving the neighborhood from another unknown intruder. Not Guilty.



So, he's shot in the chest, staggers back and then falls forward? Does he clutch his chest and exclaim "Mother of mercy. Is this the end of Tray?



Of course. He instinctively turned away from Zimmerman and the source of his pain. He is no longer in his unrational attack rage. Instead he is thinking about fleeing, so he turns, staggers, and falls.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
vn_nnanji posted:

cabbyman posted:

Most of us don't get our heads viciously slammed into the pavement either.



VICIOUSLY!

Cabby as drama queen.

Please provide proof that his head was viciously slammed into the pavement. Perhaps the grass stains they reported on his back will help.

Everything I claim as fact is in fact fact. Everything you yahoos base your claims on are not facts.

And you know what? That is yet another fact. Maybe you should pay attention....you being so fact challenged and all.



So you're saying his head was gently slammed into the pavement?

The video at the police station clearly shows damage to his head.

Eyewitnesses state plainly that they saw him bloodied at the scene.

I get it that you want this to be different. I really do. But it's not. It is what it is.

Color only matters to one of our stories.

 

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Tych2  4 stars
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So many are so invested in this case that you will not be able to find a person that will admit to be wrong on something they say except for eodoll and he has done it twice I've seen. Everyone else is so entrenched in their position it's virtually impossible to move on this.

 

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Vydor  1 star
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The severity of the ass-whoppin Zimmerman took really isn't an issue in the case as far as the law is concerned. If he believed his life in danger, he could defend himself. Seems like there is wide latitude on this part of the law. Zimmerman can claim Trayvon went for his gun, or that as he saw something in his hand earlier the believed Trayvon was armed..etc.

Right or wrong, the onus on the state to prove otherwise is going to be a huge hurdle for them.

 

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Sinlock  2 stars
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Registered: 2000-5-14 16:20:01
Tych2 posted:

Everyone else is so entrenched in their position it's virtually impossible to move on this.



It's a friggin' mess is what it is.

 

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theredkay1  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
Friarspam posted:

There is ....falsified audio by the media.



This is now evidence in the case? Maroons.
theredkay1  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
Vydor posted:

Zimmerman can claim Trayvon went for his gun, or that as he saw something in his hand earlier the believed Trayvon was armed..etc.


Right or wrong, the onus on the state to prove otherwise is going to be a huge hurdle for them.



I dont think the state has to disprove every scenario that Zimmerman is able to make up.


And I dont think Zimmermans incorrect assumptions provide any real defense, do they?
Vydor  1 star
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Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
theredkay1 posted:

Vydor posted:

Zimmerman can claim Trayvon went for his gun, or that as he saw something in his hand earlier the believed Trayvon was armed..etc.

Right or wrong, the onus on the state to prove otherwise is going to be a huge hurdle for them.



I dont think the state has to disprove every scenario that Zimmerman is able to make up.

And I dont think Zimmermans incorrect assumptions provide any real defense, do they?



I think, and I may be wrong, that it's about what was Zimmerman's state of mind at the time. Was he in fear for his life? To disapprove it, the state would have to make a jury believe that his actions were not congruent with his claims. This is the main reason opponents of the law are seeking changes, it's just too difficult to prove someone is intentionally lying especially about their mindset or has incorrect assumptions.

The lack of eye witnesses that we know of that saw the confrontation really helps Zimmerman, as his word is the only thing on record.

 

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Kjarhall  3 stars
Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
Vydor posted:

The severity of the ass-whoppin Zimmerman took really isn't an issue in the case as far as the law is concerned. If he believed his life in danger, he could defend himself. Seems like there is wide latitude on this part of the law. Zimmerman can claim Trayvon went for his gun, or that as he saw something in his hand earlier the believed Trayvon was armed..etc.

Right or wrong, the onus on the state to prove otherwise is going to be a huge hurdle for them.



That's the biggest issue with this case, there has to be a line drawn on when 'believed his life in danger' is within the law, and does going and looking for trouble when you could have avoided it nullify a self defense claim. Anyone can say they believed their life was in danger, but determining whether that belief was legitimate or not, is what has people drawing sides.

Personally, there is nothing in this story to me, that warrants shooting someone. At least not yet.

 

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