Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
R3Mington posted: none of you have ever read the bible and or know the scriptures.
just sayin
This, most of them are long gone, burned, missing, ect and never made it into the bible. We might know of about 10% of the scriptures and other recordings. Kinda odd how a person who only knows 10% of what he has read about can preach about it.
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Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
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Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
Acid233 posted: Lets see what is more plausible?
A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.
Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.
You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.
Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.
"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:
how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:
One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:
the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."
That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
Acid233 posted:
FWH-Techumseh posted:
Vodka_Tonic posted:
If you believe in christian values that is one thing, if you believe there is a god who has a plan for you that is another.
There are an estimated 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone. There are an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That leaves to speculation of how many stars there are in the known universe at around 100 sextillion stars (that is a trillion billion stars).
The Hubble Telescope suggests that there are more stars in the known universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.
I ruled out god as the creator/regulator/ruler of the universe a long time ago. I have faith in myself and the choices I make.
Ref your pic:
Have you ever heard of the book Science of God by Gerald Schroeder? It may not have any influence on you but I bet it would make you think twice about your theory on whether or not God exists. Thoughts of the Universe and creation have changed many times. Hell, until 1959 scientists believed the universe was finite and eternal. Since then they've discovered that it indeed had a beginning (creation) and that it continues to expand. Many cultures believe it began somewhere
Since the universe is expanding, a day at the exact point of creation would be millions of years from Earth. Several days would be billions of years later. Even Battlestar Galactica mentioned that concept in season 4; last episode. Einstein (an atheist) taught the world that time is relative. That in regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One system relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity.) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Were ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system.
As for the notion that life on earth was just a lucky coincidence check out what Stephen Hawkin says:
"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers (i.e. the constants of physics) seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". "For example," Hawking writes, "if the electric charge of the electron had been only slightly different, stars would have been unable to burn hydrogen and helium, or else they would not have exploded. It seems clear that there are relatively few ranges of values for the numbers (for the constants) that would allow for development of any form of intelligent life. Most sets of values would give rise to universes that, although they might be very beautiful, would contain no one able to wonder at that beauty."
Lets see what is more plausible?
A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.
Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.
You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.
How do you explain how you are you and not just some program running on a evolved by chance organic robot?
Assuming we are just organic robots, does this imply a computer running a program AI can "feel" like we do?
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
0-0-0-0-ppooo posted: We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.
We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.
We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
TehPersianStallion posted:
0-0-0-0-ppooo posted: We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.
We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.
We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.
Overpopulation is not our fault? Did you think at all before you typed?
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
azv4 posted:
TehPersianStallion posted:
0-0-0-0-ppooo posted: We created poverty, famine, and injustice. Not god's job to clean up our messes. Free will my friend.
We did? Shit, my bad. You would think that say, famine, would be caused by finite resources and other conditions (droughts) and things like that beyond our control.
We can adapt to our environment, but we didn't make it. We can't modify physical laws to have, say, everlasting sources of food and wealth so that there is no poverty or famine. You can blame people for not adapting in a way that isn't perfect, but I think that's condescending and irrational.
Overpopulation is not our fault? Did you think at all before you typed?
You're right it is our fault. We should fix the problem by killing you first.
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
FWH-Techumseh posted:
Acid233 posted: Lets see what is more plausible?
A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.
Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.
You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.
Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.
"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:
how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:
One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:
the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."
That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!
Very well thought out response. I agree with you that it is a pretty big coincidence but the question still remains. Answer me this then.
Where are these scientists explaining the chances of an all powerful being somehow coming to existence and creating everything out of thin air? You keep spouting these scientists and their explanation of the probability of life of being extremely low, but what about the explanation of the probability of an all knowing powerful being that somehow came out of nothingness and is the embodiment of everything? is this .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to infinity chance of occurring? Where is this math? I would love to see it.
No matter what, the probability of our universe coming to existence the way we think it came to existence has a significantly better probability of occuring then a flying spaghetti man that appeared out of nowhere.
See what I did their? I can preach the same thing you have been preaching just the other way around.
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
Acid233 posted:
FWH-Techumseh posted:
Acid233 posted: Lets see what is more plausible?
A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.
Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.
You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.
Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.
"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:
how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:
One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:
the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."
That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!
Very well thought out response. I agree with you that it is a pretty big coincidence but the question still remains.
I would love for one of these scientists to explain the chances of an all powerful being somehow coming to existence and creating everything out of thin air? You keep spouting these scientists and their explanation of the probability of life of being extremely low, but what about the explanation of the probability of an all knowing powerful being that somehow came out of nothingness and is the embodiment of everything? is this .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to infinity chance of occurring? Where is this math? I would love to see it.
No matter what, the probability of our universe coming to existence the way we think it came to existence has a significantly better probability of occuring then a flying spaghetti man that appeared out of nowhere.
See what I did their? I can preach the same thing you have been preaching just the other way around.
You're right, I don't understand why people even argue it. It's so easy to say oh, God created us. So easy to say oh, everything happens for a reason.
If we kept thinking like this, we wouldn't be where we are today.
Date Posted:4/3/12 10:14amSubject:
Sometimes I want to ask God...
FWH-Techumseh posted:
Acid233 posted: Lets see what is more plausible?
A flying spaghetti man in the sky that created everything or everything just happened by coincidence after billions of years of fucking nothingness.
Common sense dictates coincidence since their are trillions upon trillions of planets. Obviously one of these is going to harbor life. It is statistics. Not only should their be at least one intelligent species but their should be millions upon millions around the universe.
You have to extremely naive and self centered if you actually believe humans are the only intelligent species in the universe. Mathematically speaking this notion is absurdity at its finest and literally impossible to be true.
Funny you should say that. God is a mathemtician! Don't take my word for it though. How bout a High Physics Nobel Laureate, Professor Steven Weinberg.
"•writing in the journal "Scientific American", reflects on:
how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning. He goes on to describe how a beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. But this is not the end of Professor Weinberg's wonder at our well-tuned universe. He continues:
One constant does seem to require an incredible fine-tuning -- The existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.
This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000,
but instead:
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001,
there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe because as Weinberg states:
the universe either would go through a complete cycle of expansion and contraction before life could arise, or would expand so rapidly that no galaxies or stars could form."
That's just one example. The Earth is so finely balanced that to suggest that it was coincidental is not rational. And I actually agree that we aren't the only living beings on Earth. Turn on the news every day. If you were God wouldn't you cover your bets and have many Earths? We're a damn mess!
Pure win. Gonna re-read this later til I memorize it.
ou are that guy at pizza hut always making funnies when you should be making pizza"
