the expense of an advertising campaign is far greater then DAoC revenue is, or would be...

cheap, realy cheap, comercials.... are at least 50-100 dollar per airing...

thats 50 dollar to air the comercial ONCE .... figure to get the word out you want that to run a few times a day, on a few channels.... pretty much 2-3k per day, run the comercial for at least a month, oh there goes 100k easily...

daoc makes at the most 75k a month, and thats revenue alone, before upkeep costs, the few employees left on staff and all that will take a chunk out of that.. and its already less then the cost of advertising...

and heres what the advertisement would be saying

hey come play our crap game full of bugs and exploits, that we barely maintain these days, dont do any expansions for, dont realy support anymore because if you call our support number we shunt you off to support for other games and those people usualy dont even know what daoc is.. but come play our game...

 

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Well that's kind of ironic considering your sitting here crying. Good job on continuing to "dmg DAOC".

 

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lol he must work for mythic. Mythic too blames the players for all their problems, lol.

When will you people learn to stop smoking crack with LSD? Lack of PvE content is what killed DAoC? Are you serious? People left the game in droves AFTER the installation of TOA? You are an idiot is you want to re-write history.

Just because everyone jumped on the WOW bandwagon doesn't mean that WOW is the best game out there. It just means that WOW has better funding, better advertisement and a player base that came naturally because of the PC video game. Nothing more.

As I have LONG stated, IF Mythic/EA would just advertise the DAMN game, it would surpass WOW. Who the hell wants to PvE for hours? You got to be an idiot to want to do that. People didn't know that they wanted a car until Ford invented the model T. So what does that mean? People are stupid and don't know what to pick until they are given a legitimate choice. Mythic/EA should be advertising DAoC like crazy to get the WOW player base who are by now, numb and burned out with the PvE.

I like PvE like I like a rusty old pin stuck in my eye. You people who suggest that PvE would cure DAoC are smoking crack. Go back to WoW if you want. Stop trying to ruin the game, now that it has finally gotten some semblance of balance.

starwars galaxies = very popular franchise, millions of geeks worldwide love it... very successful PC game lines, more funding then blizzard had for WoW...

why didnt it have millions of players?

startrek online = very popular franchise, millions of geeks worldwide love it... hell people learn fictional languages from it (klingon) successful Pc game lines... advertised like crazy....

why didnt it have millions of players?

Lord of the Rings = again.... rinse repeat popular, has successful video games, people learn elvish based on it just like klingon freaks from star trek...

where is its milliosn of players?

guess what.. WOW is obviously the best, because other hugely popular franchises like star wars, star trek, LOTR, conan, warhammer, stargate... have all tried MMOs and have all had only a fraction of the same users as WoW hell even combined all other MMOs dont even make up HALF of WoW's active subscriber base...

so yes.. .it is the best MMO out there.... i hate the game... hate it with a passion... but i can see through my hatred with the logical part of my brain and understand that it is the best game, even if its not to my personal liking...

 

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the population remained steady at 250k after the launch of TOA..

for 10 months it remained at 250k....

before the launch of TOA the population was LOWER, it actualy rose in anticipation of TOA....

the game population didnt fall untill the launch of eq2 and the superbeast that is WOW

so maybe you shoudl stop smoking the LSD laced crackrocks, because your the one trying to rewrite history

DAoC would have failed in 2002/2003 if it wasnt for the anticipation and then launch of the TOA expansion, the game was on a downhill decline in user base within 8 months of the games launch.

 

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It was not lack of PvE content that killed DAoC. DAoC does not lack for PvE. It was horrible PvE content and uncoordinated PvE content and new PvE content that made the old world areas obsolete ghost towns and PvE content that drove an arms race and ‘required’ huge amounts of PvE by what were supposed to be RvR ready characters, and horribly horrendously buggy PvE and . . etc. . . It was not a lack of PvE that killed the game. It was stupidly, frustratingly horrible PvE that killed the game. DAoC has huge amounts of PvE, but much of it is pointlessly horrible PvE. Haven’t you been paying attention? Is it meth?


You are correct that WoW is not the best game out there. What you totally seem to miss is why WoW is huge and why DAoC is tiny and dieing (and it has very little to do with advertising). WoW is an adequate PvE centric game that provides the customer with almost exactly what the customer needs. WoW is an adequate game with superior implementation and it is the superior implementation, not just advertising, that has propelled WoW to its heights.


Mythic stated (MJ himself stated) that Mythic did advertise DAoC and the advertisements did absolutely nothing for subscription numbers (is it Meth?). Advertising poop does not turn the poop into prime rib. Poop is still just poop and for the vast majority of MMO players DAoC is just a pile of poop.


The vast majority of MMO players want good PvE. TOA was crap PvE. Sorry to need to point this out to you but by your own statement of how you hate PvE, you should realize that as someone who hates PvE you are probably no judge of what is good PvE and what is horrible PvE. TOA was not just horrible, it was horrendously horrible. Yes TOA was huge PvE but huge PvE is not necessarily good PvE. TOA was horrendously buggy, released with too little testing, it was long, it was required, it was. . . in about a hundred ways it was just poop.


I have long state that advertising a great restaurant concept and then serving poop is no way to build a client base. I am sorry that you are handicapped concerning PvE (by your own admission about how you hate what the majority love). There is nothing wrong with hating PvE. Seriously, there is nothing wrong with hating it. What is rather silly is realizing that you hate PvE and then thinking that your ideas about advertising the game (a game with rotten PvE) will save the game when you admit that you hate what WoW has proven that the vast majority love. That is just so obviously silly of you.


DAoC is one of the best game concepts in existence with some of the worst implementation possible. Like you, those at Mythic seem to have absolutely no concept of what the typical MMO player wants, they seem to have no concept of how tiny the PvP/RvR market really is and like you Mythic blinds themselves to the facts that are so blatantly slapping them (facts as presented by games like PvE centric WoW and by PvP centric games like WH which did have lots of advertising).

 

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... yet it is (in my opinion) still the best game out. Must be doing something right since people still play it.

 

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If it is still the best game out, based on it being down to the last cluster and based on the size of the market (10+++million and rising) then DAoC must have some horrible implementation to only have the tiny population that it has (must be doing something wrong with so few people playing the best game out).

 

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Masses of kiddies want to win.

PvE games are easier to make challenging yet still give the masses what they want, to be the winner.

That element is gone with most PvP since you cant control the randomness of player skill, so its harder for the masses to get what they want.

PvE games will always do better than PvP alternatives.


Heck DAOC is a great example. How long did both of the PvP servers last? Then you have the regular servers... after how many clusters? Then there is the 1 PvE server. Gaheris had more of a population than some of the clusters did just before Ywain.

 

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